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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Toast, Apr 25, 2018.
Sometimes I don’t understand shit like that if I were him I’d much rather die than suffer in prison
Its the last thing he holds any semblance of power on. From here on out he’s powerless. His crimes were about nothing if not him holding power over others. This decision doesn’t shock me in the least. One last fuck you, look what I can do to his victims and the world in general.
Didn't know California still had the death penalty.
I consulted on a murder case a few months ago where the defendant pled guilty to a natural life sentence because he was sick of jail (Oregon doesn’t really have the death penalty anymore).
He still refused to disclose where the victims head or cell phone was just to be an asshole to the family.
It’d probably cost the state more to go through the litigation than it would to just let him rot. He’d also probably die before his last hearing could take place since he’s an old piece of shit.
Plea deal is preferable.
It does but the current governor invoked a moratorium on capital punishment.
It cost the state of California $20 million to try Charles Ng and he’s still sitting on death row screaming about what he bring to friendship.
Hopefully the state listens to the victims and their families and only accepts a guilty plea if he admits, in detail, to the nature of his crimes and motivations. I, like the rest of us, want answers and those affected sure as hell deserve them.
I've always heard the cost is astronomical, but why could it possibly cost that much?
What if someone just walked in his cell and emptied a clip in him
I’d prefer he rots in jail for the next 20 years
When you put someone to death, they have a million appeals.
With Charles Ng specifically though, it was because he is a miserable little bastard who kept doing shit that caused further hearings or mistrials.
Pre-trial costs: Capital cases are far more complicated than non-capital cases and take longer to go to trial. Experts will probably be needed on forensic evidence, mental health, and the background and life history of the defendant. County taxpayers pick up the costs of added security and longer pre-trial detention.
Jury selection: Because of the need to question jurors thoroughly on their views about the death penalty, jury selection in capital cases is much more time consuming and expensive.
Trial: Death-penalty trials can last more than four times longer than non-capital trials, requiring juror and attorney compensation, in addition to court personnel and other related costs.
Incarceration: Most death rows involve solitary confinement in a special facility. These require more security and other accommodations as the prisoners are kept for 23 hours a day in their cells.
Appeals: To minimize mistakes, every prisoner is entitled to a series of appeals. The costs are borne at taxpayers’ expense. These appeals are essential because some inmates have come within hours of execution before evidence was uncovered proving their innocence.
Huge if true.
This is an incredibly complex subject matter, but my fundamental views on death penalty have changed with this info, assuming all of the studies are to be believed.
A 2011 assessment of costs by Judge Arthur Alarcon and Prof. Paula Mitchell, updated in 2012 revealed that, since 1978, California’s current system has cost the state’s taxpayers $4 billion more than a system that has life in prison without the possibility of parole (‘LWOP’) as its most severe penalty.
A 2009 study published by a Duke University economist revealed North Carolina could save $11 million annually if it dropped the death penalty.10
According to state and federal records, maintaining the California death-penalty system costs taxpayers more than $114 million a year beyond the cost of simply keeping the convicts locked up for life.
In a 2016 article, The Reading Eagle used data from a 2008 study by the Urban Institute to show that Pennsylvania has spent an estimated $272 million per execution since the Commonwealth reinstated its death penalty in 1978
Which is it's own discussion for another time/thread.
Oregon has basically done away with the death penalty like I said, but I had an attorney tell me that capital cases are basically blank checks from the state for all of us involved pre trial.
We have and will continue to kill innocent people on death row, that should be enough to do away with it.
an innocent guy is about to be killed in Alabama.
No penis size shaming please
Taques is sensitive
Who we got?
Not just yet
was watching cnn and I thought they stopped the stay or how ever you call it. Thought they said they could go forward with killing an innocent man.
Do the same to her.
I couldn’t find the other thread about DNA leading to arrests from old crimes so I put it here. I thought it was interesting.
Her baby was tossed from a car 21 years ago. DNA leads to Burke County woman’s arrest.
Read more here: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article240516916.html#storylink=cpy
It is. Sorry, I just got excited for a GSK update and didn’t see him mentioned in the article. This case was even more unique with victims DNA matching killer too.
Yeah I was trying to piece it together
I remember being in Charlotte in 1988 and reading a Charlotte Observer editorial denouncing “Surgeon General J. Everett KOOK and his false science based warnings about the dangers of tobacco”. I turned down a well paying job offer and since then have literally never seriously considered anything about the Charlotte Observer to be legitimate. Hth.
Just went through the first ~35 pages of I'll Be There In the Dark after buying it right when he was arrested.
Liked the beginning but was rubbed a little wrong about the chapter complaining about being at the Hollywood premiere of Funny People - B start so far. Is the consensus here that it's worth reading? I'm not going to get in the habit of buying multiple books on certain serial killers, so if it's worth reading but only the 2nd or 3rd best book on GSK, I'll probably still finish it.
About 3/4 of the way done with the book now. Insane to me that they didn't catch this guy, I wonder if there was just a complete reluctance to look inward and have police investigate their own:
-EAR-ONS was suspected to have some sort of military or police training. This guy was in the military and a policeman.
-EAR-ONS clearly had some training in burglary tactics. This guy was in charge of a "Joint Attack on Burglary" program for a police department.
-EAR-ONS was suspected to perhaps attack once or twice in his home area, but "spray" his attacks across Sacramento/East Bay. This guy lived in Placer near the area of 1-2 attacks.
-EAR-ONS referenced "Bonnie" in the attacks. This guy had an ex named Bonnie.
-The picture where he looked exactly like the suspect composite sketch.
Obviously the police departments not being very communicative with each other harmed the process - but for there to be detectives (real and amateur) pouring through suspects and dedicating so much time to the case I don't know how *anyone* didn't flag this guy, have suspicions of him, etc.
Weren't all the EAR-ONS-GSK connections made decades later? From what I remember he didnt stick with any police force for particularly long and then worked as a mechanic for several decades. I'm sure he was so far out of the minds of his former colleagues that no one really thought about him.
He left Visalia (ransackings and 1 murder iirc) after he almost got caught by a police stakeout. He came face to face with a policeman and took a shot at him. I think the officer's flashlight saved him.
GSK put in his transfer/application to Auburn Hills around that time and moved on. He knew that they were getting close.
Unmasking a Killer podcast is good if you haven't listened to it.
Believe the connection on all the crimes was made around 2001, but I believe people thought most of the Visalia/Sacramento/Contra County crimes from 1974-1978 were connected well earlier than that.. Appears the guy was in the Exeter police department from 1973-1976 then Auburn from 1976-1979 before moving again in 1980.
So he moved when the Visalia attacks settled down after 1975, and again after Sacramento attacks stopped around 1979. I know it's easy to play armchair detective, but this guy seems like he would have been a prime candidate for Visalia/Sacramento regardless of the OC/SB connections.
I thought California got rid of the death penalty?
I’m surprised the state is offering that
Saves a ton of litigation and provides immediate, nearly bulletproof closure for the various victims/next of kin. That plus given his age he’d likely be dead of natural causes before he gets close to his execution date.
It’s still on the books, but nobody has been put to death in like 30-40 years. It was removed for a short period of time, that’s why Charles Manson never was put to death.
Edit add on: last person sentenced to death was in 2006 and has been used 13 times since 1972. There’s a moratorium on capital punishment right now.
It appears part of the plea is to get him to talk. I think that is a great compromise. He needs to completely open up.
“It’s a step forward ... but it’s not what I was hoping for,” said Kris Pedretti, one of the earliest victims, who was 15 when she was raped in 1976.
There are no criminal charges in connection with her attack, but Pedretti said she understands that DeAngelo is prepared to admit to her rape.
“I already know he raped me, that he was guilty,” she said, “but my deeper feeling is, ‘Why?’ What is so important that he does not want shown in trial that he is willing to do this? ... What is it that he doesn’t want to be known?”
Prolly doesn’t want talk about his incredibly unfortunate penis.
He doesn’t want to hear people talk about his penis in court.
The ex wife needs to speak