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  1. Why?Pokes

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    Whew! The journey was difficult but I preserved and drove all the way here. Where’s my woodsman badge?

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  2. Weedlord420

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    Damn that’s a nice little right
     
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  3. Why?Pokes

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    They haven’t stopped since we got here, gonna have to make a fool of myself on the inflatable.

    It’s a really consistent spot but I’ve only ever seen one dude on it cause it’s a bitch to get to.
     
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  4. Room 15

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    I'm tossing together a christmas list and am looking for some gear. Anybody passionate about anything in the following categories:

    Hammock
    Water/River shoes
    A pack for day-hiking (preferable with a camelbak)
     
  5. racer

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    I have an ENO doublenest that I really like. Atlas XL straps, no other add ons at the moment.
    https://www.rei.com/product/104715/eno-national-park-foundation-doublenest-hammock

    https://www.rei.com/product/159043/eno-atlas-xl-hammock-suspension-system


    I have about 4 Cotopaxi Luzon 18 day packs. Drawstring top. Has a camelback sleeve, super light, and has been durable for me. Plus I like the company and the look neat.

    https://www.cotopaxi.com/products/luzon-18l-daypack-del-dia

    camelback bladder:
    https://www.rei.com/product/108365/camelbak-crux-3l-reservoir-3-liters
     
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  6. BamaNug

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    It's really hard to beat the Enos hammock in terms of price/durability/lightweight.
    https://www.rei.com/product/754773/eno-doublenest-hammock

    Have chocos for my water shoes, love em.

    I have a 22L osprey for my daypack, love it. It has a separate compartment for the camelback. You can buy one on Amazon for $10
    https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/talon-22-TALON22_669.html
     
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  7. CoastalOrange

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  8. BamaNug

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    I'm seeing like $15-16:




    I just took the bladder out, never use the tiny backpack.
     
  9. Doc Louis

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    Thought people didn't really like using refillable water bags like that any more
     
  10. racer

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    Idk if I’m behind the times, but that’s the only kind of camelback-style systems that I know of?

    also, I think BamaNug meant you can get the water bladder for $10, not the $100+ osprey pack. I’d have 20 of those for sure if that was the case.
     
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  11. CoastalOrange

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    Glad I'm not the only one that read it that way. I was so confused for a second when he posted the bladders then realized my mistake.
     
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  12. Fargin' Icehole

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    Total Dad brag post. My boy turned 9 and for his birthday asked to be in a tent ON his birthday. It was important to him to be camping on the actual day and not just around the time. He didn't want a party or anything else. Did 2 nights and stayed in a cabin built in 1936 on night 1. It's kept up by the Potomac Appalachian Trail Club and a short hike off Skyline Drive in Shenandoah. Night 2 in a tent deep in a hollow and it rained from midnight until...shit it's still raining actually. Hiking out was all uphill in the pouring rain. Kid didn't complain once, beast.
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  13. BamaNug

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    Lol, yes only meant bladders. You can stick them in lots of places in most later-model backpacks
     
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  14. Paddy Murphy

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    Hell yeah man. That’s awesome.
     
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  15. BamaNug

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    3 days/2 nights in Zion confirmed for March. Looks like we'll have time for 1 big hike, thinking a longer one into the Narrows. There are several options, correct? Any recs?

    Also, the plan is to wake up early Saturday, knock out a hike, then drive to Vegas for Saturday night (flying out Sunday midday). How feasible would it be to do Angel's Landing that morning? Or too crowded?
     
  16. Fargin' Icehole

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    Planning a trip to SE/South Central Utah for next fall. Trying to avoid the high traffic areas though. This was pretty cool and helpful https://www.outdoorproject.com/travel/15-beaten-path-adventures-southern-utah
     
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  17. BP

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    I did the Narrows with a permit, but I believe you can hike up as far as you can for a day hike. Youll need wet or dry suit pants/socks for that time of year.
     
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  18. racer

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  19. racer

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    Side note, St George is eerie AF. It feels like there is an omnipresent Mormon watch force. They have like 1 bar in town and it was empty on a CFB Saturday night last I was there. The only patrons were other Vegas locals in town for some reason or another.
     
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  20. BamaNug

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    :respek:

    When you say shuttle should be off, does that mean we can drive?

    It's a birthday gift, so we're "glamping" right outside the entrance, will be renting a car. Only day hikes.

    Looked at Alltrails last night, had this: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/utah/zion-narrows-trail-to-imlay-temple-and-big-spring -- but didn't even take into account the water and river hiking. I'm guessing the water level will be pretty damn high in March.

    Looks like I need to do some more research.
     
  21. racer

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    You should be able to drive it all. April-Nov is shuttle access only.
     
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  22. BamaNug

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    That's convenient. Hopefully a little less crowded, too. Will the water be so high that some places will be inaccessible? Guess it depends on how winter goes
     
  23. racer

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    https://www.wildlandtrekking.com/blog/zion-narrows/

    Looks like you should be ok, save for a wet winter. The entire Colorado system has been bone dry for a decade, so I’d feel good about the chances.
     
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  24. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    Married but don't have kids. Way Cool. I wish you many more experiences like that
     
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  25. BP

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    The park will be dead compared to the high season. You can walk to the Temple which is the end of the traditional Narrows hike but the beginning of the day hike. It was ankle to knees when we did it at the bottom. But you can go up as far and you feel comfortable and then turn back but your mainly walking in the Virgin river, so it'll be cold.
     
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  26. tjosu

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    This is good to know. A friend just mentioned to me the other day the idea of flying into there for a few days before Thanksgiving to spend a couple in Zion but I know nothing about that area
     
  27. racer

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    The town is fine and really clean. I just got such a weird empty feeling. There were police pickups everywhere, especially when we drove by their temple. I just like being dramatic about it. I could actually live there most comfortably.
    They have a Culver’s and Chick fil a, which was the closest one to Vegas when I lived in LV. The bar stuff is 100% accurate as of 2016. The One and Only is where we went.#BarAndGrill was the other game in town.

    https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/st--george-temple-closing-november-4--2019
     
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  28. CoastalOrange

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    Weird question but what underwear do y'all wear when hiking? Currently I am using the same type underwear that I use when running but they don't have the pee flap which is incredibly annoying to me.
     
  29. racer

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    All Duluth trading. Currently a mix of armachillo, buck naked, and armachillo bull pen. The armachillo bullpen are my favorite.
    Used to go just UA compression shorts, but they would sometimes slip and leave a very small chafe spot that would suck after some miles.
     
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  30. BayouMafia

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    I'm gradually replacing my UA and ex-officio's with these. Have 4-5 pairs already. I don't find the "chill" feature to be very useful but I really like the way they fit
     
  31. BP

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    Ex-Officio
     
  32. Fargin' Icehole

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    ...and Smartwool.
     
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  33. CoastalOrange

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    Basically my current ones chafe in a not-so-great area and I want to buy some new ones that I can use on longer hikes when there is some sweating going on.
     
  34. Why?Pokes

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    I go commando, Nike dry-fit running shorts, challenger line. They’ve got a comfy spandex-brief liner, no chafe, work equally good on land as at sea. Great option for warm-weather hikes.

    No pee hole though if that’s a deal breaker for you. Personally I like going over the top.
     
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  35. racer

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    Urethra squeeze sucks, and I’m generally not a big fan of full fupa and balls out.


    Thinking about trying birddogs. Only wear them casually right now.
     
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  36. Why?Pokes

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    Yeah especially as you get older, I’ve fallen for the “oh shit I thought I emptied it!” too many times.

    Which is why I go waistband-below-cheeks. Side benefit of the dry fit: if you do have a clean up a rogue tinkle, all it takes is a quick dip in the river/lake/ocean and you’re ready to go almost as soon as you hit the shore.

    The challenger model has a flat profile, similar to bird dogs. I don’t like wearing running shorts w/o a liner because it can look fairly obscene once you work up sweat.
     
  37. CoastalOrange

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    I feel like I always chafe with the brief liner, including in bathing suits and whatnot. It's terrible.
     
  38. Randy Dangus

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    I have all these items and concur. I’ve got Kammock straps for my hammock, however, as they’re 1.5” or 2” wide so a little easier on tree bark. I’ve been wearing my Osprey running vest for most of my hikes lately and prefer it to a daypack when I’m out for shorter hikes (5-7 miles), any longer and I’m bringing extra shit and I don’t have the storage. Have a Kestral 38 for longer day hikes too. Ospreys the best in the biz IYAM

    water will be cold af in March, rent a dry suit from one of the outfitters just outside the park.

    Exofficio give-and-go boxer briefs are titty city. I prefer the 9” inseam, never ride up, never chafe. I’ve had pairs for years and they’re still going strong. Literally don’t have anything else.
     
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  39. tspa

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    Your main problem with doing the narrows in March is that it may not be open. The park service closes it until the water slows down enough for people to walk though. I was there this summer on the first day it was open, June 24, and it was over my waist for more than 1/3 of the hike. I turned around in the Wall Street area with water up to my arm pits for about 200 yards and I had another 200+ yards before I was going to hit land again. The water was also running hard enough that I was having a hard time moving forward against it at that point.

    You can easily do Angels Landing in a morning. It is one of the neatest hiking experiences I have done anywhere in the country and would highly recommend. I did not do it on this trip, but a few years ago it was mildly dangerous on the way down in the chains section because so many people were coming up. This was in the summer and I was on the first shuttle in the morning to start the hike. I would not have wanted to start any later. In March I assume it won't be nearly as bad.

    In the article Racer linked I would highly recommend the East Mesa Trail to Observation Point. It is a really easy hike, and the view at Observation point is awesome. The last half mile of the road to was very rutted and sketchy. You would need an SUV or truck, or you could walk an extra mile. I might suggest doing Angels Landing first so you appreciate even more how much higher you are than Angels Landing. (The valley up hike to Observation Point is supposed to be really good, but it was closed this summer)
    The Hidden Canyon Trail was also closed when I was there because of a rock fall, but if I ever get back it will be high on my list.
    The Watchman trail is ok, good views at the top, but it doesn't compare to Observation Point/ Angels Landing.
    The Taylor Creek trail is also solid, but not great. It is neat to see the Kolob area of the park. This trail involves several creek crossing and may it may be too cold to tolerate that in March.
     
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  40. tspa

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    One off the beaten path thing I would highly recommend is the Cathedral Valley Loop in Capitol Reef NP. It's a 50+ miles dirt road with some great views. In the high season this summer I think I saw five other cars in the 50 miles. There are a few short hikes off of it as well to some beautiful overlooks. You will need a high clearance vehicle because to get on the road you have to drive through a river.
    Capitol Reef as a whole is vastly underrated compared to the other Utah Parks, much quieter and equally great scenery.
     
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  41. Why?Pokes

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    Don’t have anything against Osprey—they’re solid bags at a good price, but I feel like they’ve become a bit overrated due to the ubiquitousness of their distribution network. They’re simply everywhere and often the best value on the rack/website next to overpriced north faces, Patagonias, etc... It’s a B+ brand with an A+++ marketing and supply chain behind it.

    I’d encourage anyone who likes their Osprey to give Marmot a try. Pound for pound I think they’re the best “amateur” bag on the market. They match if not beat Osprey on price while being a much lighter carry. They tend towards minimalism in the design, so if you require a gazillion compartments it might not be for you, but what they lack in frills they more than make up for in function. You get Arc’teryx-level gear at Osprey-level dollars.
     
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  42. Randy Dangus

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    Disagree with this post pretty much in full. While packs are going to fit everyone a bit differently, Osprey is hands down better designed that Marmot and it’s not close. Marmots 3 packs, the Eiger, Kompressor, and Graviton have all gone basically unchanged for a decade. That doesn’t negate personal preference, or overall fit for an individual, but there’s no question that Osprey makes superior backpacks overall. Not sure what the amateur comment is in reference to.

    That is not to say that Marmot is a bad company. I’ve got a TON of Marmot gear. I have 3 of their soft shells they’re all fantastic. Have 2 Matmot backpacking tents and another couple sleeping bags. They make nice stuff, I just don’t consider their backpacks as top tier.

    Thing with brands like Osprey and Gregory is that those two companies only do two products; packs and luggage. And they do they very, very well. Same with Dana Gleason of Dana Designs/Mystery Ranch fame.
     
  43. Paddy Murphy

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    Ex officio and after a while you will come to your senses and realize that you should wear them every day and not just for hiking. After having a couple in the drawer for years (some are going on a decade of service and have signs of wear but still do the job) I closed my eyes earlier this year and bought 12 pairs and now wear them every single day and it’s 100% worth the cost I refused to look at.
     
  44. BamaNug

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    I also wear ex-officio 100% of the time. Best decision ever. Buy 2-3 new pairs every 6 months, keep everything fresh. Being so easy to wash makes them easier when traveling, too.

    For hiking, if it's an average, I'll do some briefs. For some gnarly stuff I do Under Armour compression shorts.
     
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  45. Why?Pokes

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    Your first paragraph contains information that is simply not accurate factually. Marmot has released new models in Kompressor line within the last couple years. I tend to agree that the Eiger and Graviton are getting a little long in the tooth, but they also started from a great point, are very affordable, and weren’t the type of pack that was being discussed.

    Take, for example, one of Ospreys standard day packs that was mentioned earlier. Compared to Marmot’s Kompressor Meteor 22, the Osprey Talon 22 is:

    -$35 more expensive
    -6oz heavier
    -lacks an internal frame sheet

    Within the 20L daypack range, Marmot offers multiple sub-pound packs. Osprey has none.

    What Osprey has a lot of is overlap and marketing—multiple packs at the same size, separate lines for men women and kids, packs for targeted activities like riding a chairlift, etc...

    Again, Osprey is good gear, good value, and a smart buy, but it’s not the be-all end-all of entry level (my comment about “amateur”) backpacking.
     
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  46. Room 15

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    Boys...what we have here is a good old fashioned gear-off. I'm here for it.
     
  47. BamaNug

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    The osprey i posted absolutely has an internal frame.

    Regardless, if you spend around $100, and do some research, you're going to get a good backpack. It comes down to aesthetics and preference. The technology has gotten so damn good that most anything at that price point will perform well. IMO
     
  48. Why?Pokes

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    Are you sure it’s a frame and not just thick padding? Osprey’s website states that the frame is only available on the +40L models.

    Edit: I see, the 22l has a frame sheet but the 40l have a more robust frame. My mistake. So it is simply more expensive and heavier than the Meteor.
     
  49. BamaNug

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    99% sure, but I guess I have no way to prove it. It's rigid AF.
     
  50. Randy Dangus

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    Marmot makes subtle tweaks to dated designs and calls them new. 6oz differentiations in a daypack are inconsequential. If you’re concerned about carrying 2lb v 2lb 6oz, you prolly are 65 and over or concerned with irrelevant shit. The Kompressor line is as stale as it was 5-7 years ago. The Talon is getting there, and I’d imagine there’ll be a new and improved model out since it too hasn’t changed much in the last 4 or so years. It’s a very popular pack though. Only the talon 44 comes with an internal aluminum frame. The 33 and 22 both have frame sheets and are meant for light and quick trips. At the end of the day, light packs don’t need internal frame to effectively transfer weight. Most fit folks don’t need sturdy hip belts and frames for 10lbs or less of gear, which is one of the reasons I’ve been using my Duro for day hikes when I only need water, map, and little else.

    I’ve worked with both companies, Marmot packs aren’t in the same stratosphere as other pack makers. Osprey “overlap” is an amateur take. If you can’t differentiate between a cycling pack, backcountry ski pack, backpacking pack, or a daypack, I guess you’d consider that “overlap”. Those in the industry can and do differentiate. To be sure, sales will tell you the same. They’re successful in all of those segments.

    come at me bro.

    In all seriousness, I’m very knowledgeable about both companies, and have worked with them both. At the end of the day, if the pack fit, that’s really all you need.
     
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