I will readily admit I probably over-prioritize lightness, but I don’t think that’s such a crazy stance to have on a backpack, as weight becomes a pretty big choke point when you start getting into longer hikes and/or big elevation gains. 6oz on a 1lb pack is a 37.5% difference, which is fairly substantial. Marmot tends to be lighter across the board, cheaper, and IME, more durable than Osprey, although Osprey’s quality has increased over the last couple years as the brand has grown (although they’ve also gotten more expensive). The overlap I mentioned extends both intra- and inter-segment. Osprey offers multiple lines of day packs, multiple backpacks, multiple hybrid climbing/hiking packs, multiple “women” packs that are more or less identical to the men’s but come in different colorways, etc... Is that because you actually NEED 20 different packs in your arsenal, or because it makes Osprey a lot more money? But again, we weren’t talking bike packs (in which case, I wouldn’t choose Osprey or Marmot) or ski packs (lol), we were talking simple daypacks. What objective criteria, in your opinion, is so inferior about Marmot that it’s not even in a similar “stratosphere?” I get that you think the designs are a bit dated, but how does that actually affect the function of the pack? And why is it that Marmot’s dated Kompressor is still significantly lighter than anything Osprey offers? I stated in my first post that Marmot falls short on all the frills, bells, and whistles of most other brands, and if that minimalism isn’t to your taste, you’d be better off looking elsewhere. I also said you can’t go wrong with an Osprey. You’ve yet to provide a single substantive reason behind why you disagree, beyond the age of the design and sales numbers. Out of curiosity, what is your work experience with the companies, are you on the sales/marketing side or the performance side?