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  1. Why?Pokes

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    I will readily admit I probably over-prioritize lightness, but I don’t think that’s such a crazy stance to have on a backpack, as weight becomes a pretty big choke point when you start getting into longer hikes and/or big elevation gains. 6oz on a 1lb pack is a 37.5% difference, which is fairly substantial. Marmot tends to be lighter across the board, cheaper, and IME, more durable than Osprey, although Osprey’s quality has increased over the last couple years as the brand has grown (although they’ve also gotten more expensive).

    The overlap I mentioned extends both intra- and inter-segment. Osprey offers multiple lines of day packs, multiple backpacks, multiple hybrid climbing/hiking packs, multiple “women” packs that are more or less identical to the men’s but come in different colorways, etc... Is that because you actually NEED 20 different packs in your arsenal, or because it makes Osprey a lot more money?

    But again, we weren’t talking bike packs (in which case, I wouldn’t choose Osprey or Marmot) or ski packs (lol), we were talking simple daypacks. What objective criteria, in your opinion, is so inferior about Marmot that it’s not even in a similar “stratosphere?” I get that you think the designs are a bit dated, but how does that actually affect the function of the pack? And why is it that Marmot’s dated Kompressor is still significantly lighter than anything Osprey offers?

    I stated in my first post that Marmot falls short on all the frills, bells, and whistles of most other brands, and if that minimalism isn’t to your taste, you’d be better off looking elsewhere. I also said you can’t go wrong with an Osprey. You’ve yet to provide a single substantive reason behind why you disagree, beyond the age of the design and sales numbers.

    Out of curiosity, what is your work experience with the companies, are you on the sales/marketing side or the performance side?
     
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  2. Randy Dangus

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    yes, I suppose 6oz in a 1lb pack is a SIGNIFICANT amount as compared to the overall weight of the item, but at the end of the day that doesn’t change any results in usage. If you’re backpacking and everything you carry is 6oz lighter, yes, this is insignificant. Not in 99.9% of day hiking scenarios. Ospreys durability hasn’t changed better or worse over the last couple years and usual wear and tear is due to user error more so than the actual product. Osprey actually owns the factories that they use overseas and takes great pride in the way they treat their employees and the construction of their product.

    Additional offerings with low, medium, and high price points differentiated by feature sets seems like a good strategy for a company that focuses only a small line of products. You’re lack of understanding as to what differentiates a men’s v women’s pack highlights your unfamiliarity with the product.


    First and foremost, the suspension system. It’s non-adjustable. This is a stuff sack with a shoulder harness. That’s where you get your weight savings. Does that mean a pack is going to be more comfortable? Absolutely not. I mean, literally the product image on Marmots website shows a poorly fit backpack.

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    There shouldn’t be a gap at the shoulder. Ever. There’s also not a proper hip belt, which means the weight of the pack is purely on your shoulders. Not great, Bob. Both of those things are available in the Talon, among other Osprey offerings.

    if you want a stuff sack with shoulder straps, you’ve found a winner. Bells, whistles, whatever. You can find this same pack made by Sea to Summit for lighter weight, REI with a different look and cheaper, and to a certain extent, Osprey, although it’s meant for travel. Considering fit and the end user, Osprey clearly has an advantage. And I’m sure many other outdoor companies. Osprey designs a better pack, with more thoughtful features. Marmot doesn’t put anything into the design of their packs and I’d argue is more durable with better customer service. The segment has aged for Marmot, and their sales suck/show it. They’re hard to find in stores because of the clear design advantages other companies offer.

    Was in sales and marketing for both, worked both wholesale and retail selling and fitting all types of packs/brands, and have been a outdoor guide and outdoor instructor for OB. Also a NOLS graduate. Doing this for the last 15+ years.

    This is fun, poke. Love arguing about gear haha
     
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  3. BP

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    I have no qualms with Marmot. Have a Sleeping bag and a few other items. I used to think the same about Osprey but I have an Exos 48L I use for traveling abroad and love it with its compartments. But IMO they're better options for actual backpacking. Have a Granite Gear atm but looking at a Hyperlight MG or an Atom pack.
     
  4. Fargin' Icehole

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    Have a 9 y/o Marmot 15° bag that sleeps warmer than my brand new REI 10° bag. My every day winter jacket is Marmot down and is older but still awesome.

    Have an Osprey sack bag, travel bag (Porter 40, great for carry on on planes), and my kid's pack is Osprey too.

    Have zero complaints for either brand. That's all I have to add.
     
  5. Room 15

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    Damn you should see what Poke DMed me about you. Really awful stuff.
     
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  6. Why?Pokes

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  7. EdmondDantes

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    I was going to ask about sleeping bags but lets weight for another day.


    Still got it.
     
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  8. Randy Dangus

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    Marmot makes a great sleeping bag, Donte.
     
  9. TYdeFan05

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    Snow Peak is having a 20% off sale if you are into Titanium.
     
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  11. wes tegg

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    REI brand Lava XL underwear is awesome.
     
  12. Why?Pokes

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  14. TYdeFan05

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    I wear a Pendleton shirt almost every day so this is cool to me. I want one of their blankets but I keep changing my mind which one. Oh, and the alpaca hoodie sweater looks like something I’d live in on the weekends. I did get the Mickey blanket for my son last time i was in Minnesota but I’ll not steal that just yet.
     
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  15. BamaNug

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    Stayed down near Mount Rainier Nat Park this weekend, it was gorgeous. Woke up Sunday and hiked a little bit past halfway to Camp Muir, about 8,000 feet. Rainier was the clearest I've ever seen it, awesome
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  16. BayouMafia

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    yes yes yes

    thinking of doing the REI-guided hike to Camp Muir next summer. Just trying to convince the wife
     
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  17. BamaNug

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    I'll guide you for a case of beer.

    In all seriousness, if you're comfortable with snow/ice, it's not terribly gnarly -- just long. 4.5 miles up and 4,000 feet of gain, top out at 10K feet of vert. You start your hike at approx 5,500 feet. Crampons/spikes and poles are a must because it's covered in ice year-round. But that also means you can glissade down, which is super fun.
     
  18. wes tegg

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    I’ve got this one:

    https://www.greatfallstribune.com/s...77-chief-joseph-custom-commission/1521554002/

    The guy who designed it was very close with my father in law when they both worked for Pendleton. He gave it to us as a wedding gift.
     
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  19. Doc Louis

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    I like their jackets and have a tshirt or two. Cold day in heck before I give up a Gregory or Mystery Ranch pack though.
     
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  20. BayouMafia

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    Yeah not much experience with I’ve and have never used crampons, which is why I was thinking a guided hike.
     
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  21. racer

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    Just borrow some metal baseball cleats from a hardo softball buddy and you’ll be fine.
     
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  22. Fargin' Icehole

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  24. Fargin' Icehole

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    REI outlet has women's Smartwool 250 bottoms for 49$ at checkout and free shipping. That's half off and a helluva gift idea. FYI.
     
  25. Fargin' Icehole

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    What gloves do y'all use for cold Backpacking trips? Only riddle I've yet to solve and there's lots of good sales coming up. I have about 5 pair of gloves and tried different combos. Might have to go to OR mittens, maybe with a wool liner. I've been trying to go lighter and lighter so watching ounces is a concern.
     
  26. Fargin' Icehole

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    So make good deals! Help, gloves!
     
  27. CoastalOrange

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    All of you guys who suggested the Ex-Officio are gentlemen and scholars. I have 4 pairs now and love them. 2 pairs of the regular and 2 pairs of the sports mesh version. No idea which one I like the best but these are solid.
     
  28. Weedlord420

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    Do ex officio ride up? I have such a problem that I’m basically sticking to compression shorts at this point.
     
  29. EdmondDantes

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    anyone scoring any good deals during REI's sale right now? got bff a new ski helmet for christmas, otherwise im trying to hold off on a bunch of shit i dont need.
     
  30. Fargin' Icehole

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    I bought a ton of stuff but it's mostly Christmas presents for other people. I may have thrown in some gloves and socks for me.
     
  31. Fargin' Icehole

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    REI Outlet doing an additional 25% off fitness category sale. Got some $130 Salomon Trail runners for around 75 bucks. Sale ends today I think. FYI.
     
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  32. BamaNug

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    Cross-posting from national parks thread:

    Heading to Zion in March -- looks like March is when they stop letting private vehicles into the park and you have to take the shuttle. Is that right'? We're renting a car in Vegas and driving. What's the situation with using the shuttle?

    I see it's free, and has X number of stops. Are all the hikes really accessible from the shuttle? Does it have certain hours? Get pretty crowded? Hopefully not too bad in March.

    We're definitely doing the Narrows on Friday (renting waders), and then Angel's Landing on Saturday morning before driving back to Vegas. The Narrows will take all day, correct?
     
  33. tspa

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    The shuttle system takes you straight to most trailheads. The only place you might have to deal with a back up is the start at the visitors center.
    One concern with the narrows in March may be the flow rate. If snow melt at higher elevations has started then the water may be running too fast and the NPS will close the trail. This summer it did not open for the season until late June. You may be going early enough that the snow isn't melting yet, it probably depends year to year.
    The Narrows shouldn't take all day. I did it this summer and it took maybe four hours at a casual pace (I did only make it a little over 3 of the 4 miles because the water got too high and fast. I think it was running at 142 cfs and they close it at 150. It was shoulder height and I just couldn't walk against it without get pushed back).
    Start Angels Landing as early as you can. You don't want to be coming down the chain section when a big crowd is going up.
    I would highly recommend Observation Point. Doing Angels Landing and then looking down on it is a really cool feeling. You can start outside the park at the East Mesa trail. That makes it an easy walk to an awesome view that can probably be done in 2 hours.
     
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  34. Imurhuckleberry

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    I'm not sure if the shuttle system will be going that early in the year. During the off season you can drive right in like the olden days. Its amazing honestly. You should check the shuttle opening dates.
     
  35. BamaNug

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    Everything online says the shuttle operates from March - October. We'll be there March 18-21
     
  36. Imurhuckleberry

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    Makes sense. Probably get it started for spring break.
     
  37. BamaNug

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    Yea, the only concern will be the amount of water in the narrows. Will research when it gets closer to see if we can do it or need to make an audible.
     
  38. racer

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    There’s some good day hiking within 15-30 minutes of LV if you want to stick closer one day. You’ll have some snow up Charleston and some rock scrambling or canyons south and west.
     
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  39. Imurhuckleberry

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    I did a pretty cool 2 day hike from angels landing to kolob canyon, Think it's called west rim, that was pretty cool.
     
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  40. bro

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    you can enter the park in private vehicles all year, or at least I did. But parking is limited and generally you have to shuttle in from either outside the park or the visitor center. Shuttle is pretty efficient

    Observation Point Trail > Angel's Landing
     
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  41. BamaNug

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    I've been hearing Observation Point >> Angel's Landing, both online and on the-TMB. Think we'll try that.

    We arrive Thurs around noon, so just want to do an easy hike -- The Watchman, Canyon Overlook, something like that.

    Friday - The Narrows (hopefully).

    Saturday - Angel's Landing or Observation Point before driving back to Vegas for a night of debauchery.

    Staying here for Thurs and Fri, looks incredible:

    https://www.undercanvas.com/camps/zion/
     
  42. BamaNug

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    How long would it take in the shuttle from the entrance to the farther hikes, like Narrows, etc.?
     
  43. bro

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    30 - 45 mins, with all the stops :idk:. The view is pretty nice, so it isn't a huge deal
     
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  44. tspa

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    I would recommend both Observation Point and Angels Landing. Angels Landing is just so unique because of the fact that you are legitimately close to death at several points. It's not difficult if you look at distance and elevation, but it's one of the most intense things I have done, and worth experiencing.
    It looks like Observation Point from the valley up is closed right now (and I think has been for close to a year because of rockslides), but doing it from the top down may fit what you are looking for on Thursday. It is six miles but basically flat. It is more trafficked since the valley hike has been closed, but it won't show up on park maps so most people won't know about it.
    It's a better hike than the Watchman. I don't know about Canyon Overlook, when I tried to do it this summer I couldn't get in the parking lot.
    https://www.citrusmilo.com/zionguide/eastmesatrail.cfm
     
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  45. Randy Dangus

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    Dangling my legs over the edge of Cable Mtn. in Zion was one of the craziest feelings I’ve ever had 2000’ straight down. Zion is ripe tits and prolly my fav NP.
     
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  46. UrsaGrande

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    The shuttle is far better than having people fight over the tens of parking spots in the park. It’s no big deal and runs pretty frequently.
     
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  47. spagett

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    Planning on visiting Yellowstone and/or Grand Teton in early June

    Any tips on where to hike or visit would be great.
     
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  48. pacey

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    Going to Zion in July. Narrows best bet for day hike?
     
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  49. Cooler

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    Don’t have the best tips for hiking around there, but check out Driggs, ID. Just west of Jackson. There’s a coffee shop there and a restaurant that’s built out of an old house. 2 of the best restaurants I’ve ever been to.
     
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  50. spagett

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    Literally all tips are welcome. I have to buy a lot of shit, too. Friend suggested wearing shoes that can get wet or sandals with straps and I'm still trying to figure out what kind of shoes can get wet without ruining my day