Captain America and The Winter Soldier - Disney+

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  1. fsuNizz

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  2. PeterGriffin

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    I was very moved by the actor for Bradley. For a guy talking about a fictional super soldier serum, I’ve never seen a more real believable moment in the MCU. Real goosebumps.
     
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    fictional?
     
  4. PeterGriffin

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    User DirtBall, I have some bad news.
     
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    “They will never let a Black man be Captain America. And even if they did, no self-respecting Black man would want to be.”

    Gutted me. Damn.
     
  6. WhiskeyDelta

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    watching net scene after catching up on the Bad Police thread did not feel great.
     
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    wondering why Sam didn’t call Shuri or Pepper for help fixing the boat.
     
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    Because wakanda is a land locked nation and pepper is a secretary.
     
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    Tis not.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    you mean "that scene"? ya know, because there was an actual net scene in this episode.
     
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    They said Steve was gone, multiple times. He was alive at the end of Endgame. Has he died? Figure that would be a bigger deal and I would have known?
    Or did they just mean gone in the sense of not around anymore.
     
  13. lazy bum

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    I think it’s not clear where exactly old Steve was living. The writers and directors have different ideas on it. Think the Russos say that Steve went and lived in a different timeline and just came back to “our” timeline to give the shield to Sam. So maybe he’s gone back to wherever he was.

    The writers say he was in our timeline.

    Of course, Feige and the story group probably have their own version. If Bucky talked to him ahead of time, you’d think he was in their timeline.
     
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  14. TheGrifter

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    "They will never let a black man be Captain America. And, even if they did, no self respecting black man would want to be."

    Just an amazing scene.
     
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  15. MG2

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    I have no clue where Sharon lands in the next episode after that 30 second scene she was in this episode. Seems at this point like she's played all sides of this.
     
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  16. MG2

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    This was such a good Sam/Anthony Mackie episode. He was phenomenal in every scene and really made me think back on his character and friendship with Cap over the years after watching it. Cap hitched his wagon to Sam every bit as much as Sam did to him. When Cap started to lose faith in SHIELD/Fury, he went and saw Sam's speech. When HYDRA tried to kill him, he went to Sam's house to see him. Steve sought Sam out more than the other way. Sam just stepped up to help when Steve needed him and never left.

    Sam was the personal anchor Steve needed to figure out who he was in the new world in the same way Sam is trying to be for Bucky in this movie, and I really never thought about it until this episode when Sam told Bucky that what Steve thought really didn't matter.
     
  17. Dump

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    Best and most powerful line of the MCU Beeds07
     
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    show is a lot more Falcon than Winter Soldier.

    not that I’m complaining.
     
  19. Dump

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    they better give me the Bucky and old asian man scene
     
  20. Fusiontegra

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    Really glad they stayed close to home on Isaiah’s story.

    I’ve been a little aggravated at how neutered Bucky feels. He has Hydra’s version of the serum in him and a vibranium mechanical arm. Feels like he’s gotten his ass whipped by equal or lesser powered folk quite a few times.

    I refuse to believe a normal human could catch the shield ricocheted back at them. I’d have liked to have seen the Wakandans or someone fit him for some sort of electromagnet that makes it more feasible.
     
  21. Nelson

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    I haven’t been a huge fan of the show but that was a heater
     
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  23. DirtBall

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    Since he decided to fuck rule 2 he’s been the biggest ass kicker in the show. And Sam isn’t a “normal human”. SMDH, 2 members of the air force had the ability and reflexes to man the Exo-7 suit. Only one of them lived to talk about it.
     
  24. DirtBall

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    They will, and your bitch ass will cry your head off (My bitch ass will cry more doe)
     
  25. DirtBall

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    “This isn’t you John”

    “We could of been a team”

    slow camera pan to the blood stain on the shield...Sam immediately attacks
     
  26. DirtBall

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    JLD. Fucking perfect Madame Hydra. Perfect.
     
  27. DirtBall

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    Taking Zemo to the Raft, Thunderbolts......CONFIRMED!!!
     
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    “Hi Sarah”
     
  29. pearl

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    No you fool! ITS MEPHISTO
     
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  30. Fusiontegra

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    And #NotMyCap pre-serum?

    The shield is heavy and sharp enough to stick in a tree from a typical human throwing it -which they, correctly imo, make look like no easy thing.

    I need to rewatch Sam’s training montage again but I’m pretty sure he catches it by the edge, not with the arm straps, on more than one occasion. Or maybe I’m thinking of Bucky.
     
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    you’re right he does
     
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  32. Whammy

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    Like Wandavision, started slow and has really picked up. That Isiah conversation was tough as hell.

    Don’t get defending Karli though, she’s a murderer. Wrong is wrong
     
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    This episode was better than most movies.
     
  34. pearl

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  35. IanBoyd

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    Isaiah telling Sam "they will never let a black man be Captain America"

    Then cut to Sam looking at his young nephews tracing their hands on the stars and stripes on the shield in awe of their uncle in the middle of that training montage and deciding to himself that was worth fighting for.

    God damn Feige, just god damn.
     
  36. bojim

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    Sort of. I’m still struggling to buy that Walker Cap could go toe to toe with him after Bucky was pissed and more Winter Soldier- like again. Walker knocked him out and Sam has to save him.
     
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    Walker seems to be going for the kill, while I'm assuming Sam and Bucky were not.
     
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  38. bojim

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    Great episode overall. Four and five have really raised the level of the show.

    I still have a couple of questions that may or may not be important:
    - Who is Sam actually working for? Is it the Air Force? His liaison is Air Force, but the first mission has Army back up. Is it a generic military catch all task force? Who’s grounding them? I think CA was working for the Army, but maybe it was the same generic group.
    - Is Sam an Avenger? Two different times it’s mentioned that there’s “ A couple Avengers walking around” is the group still a thing? Is Bucky a member? If so, who else is in it?
    - Why is Sam going after the Flag Smashers initially? At the beginning of the show they are a small 8 person group of agitators robbing banks and stealing supplies in Europe with a generic no border wish. Why would the US military be sending assets to Europe for something this trite? Was it because the Air Force guy realized one of them is powered? The only reason I ask is because 2-1/2 episodes end up in Latvia with CA telling Wakandans they don’t have jurisdiction, but what gives him jurisdiction?
    At the end of 5 they managed to move the story to NY, so it feels more pertinent moving into the finale.
     
  39. bojim

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    They have definitely put more emphasis on the shield as a weapon. Waller with shot once he lost it.

    I also think it’s a stretch that pre serum Walker could do the things with it that he did.
     
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  40. Mister Me Too

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    I think that Sam and JW were/are working for the GRC and that’s why JW claims jurisdiction.
     
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    Sam wasn’t going after flagsmahsers at first. His buddy did his own thing and investigated them. Once he showed Sam the video of one looking like a super soldier, that’s when he got involved.
     
  42. MG2

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    I never got the sense that Sam was working for the GRC, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

    Walker was, and he found Sam looking into it by tracking his tech. If I'm remembering the end of ep2 correctly, Sam and Bucky basically told Walker that they have a better chance of figuring it out because they're doing stuff in more of an unofficial capacity. I guess you could say that the military is in with the GRC, so it's all the same thing, though.
     
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    I really feel like Falcon could have just setup a GoFundMe page for the boat. Would have raked in the funds much easier.
     
  44. DirtBall

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    A Sam GoFundMe vs a Bucky OnlyFans who makes more money?
     
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  45. IanBoyd

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    yes
     
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    Galaxy brain take - Peggy Carter was undercover as the “nurse” who found out about Isaiah and helped him escape.
     
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    BudKilmer liquifies his 401k
     
  48. IanBoyd

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    So something really stupid popped in my head while I was watching Bucky fixing the boat.

    Forrest Gump saying to him "you ain't got no arms, Sebastian Stan" and now I'm laughing at my own stupid joke.
     
  49. DirtBall

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    You ever read a book watch a movie?

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  50. IanBoyd

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    And let us not forget Natasha picking the shield up in the streets of South Korea while going 100+ mph one handed riding a motorcycle and somehow didn't break every single bone in her hand.
     
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