Again, why does the dollar amount matter? All things equal, why should someone with money to afford bail be out while a poor person doesn't?
Umm, I know very little about bond but was simply replying to someone saying they didn't think you could just put up 10% and get out. Just providing my experience that in my case you could. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
My other favorite go to with posters. Call someone “fucking stupid” because it will certainly make me feel right! criminal history: reckless endangerment, battery, domestic abuse, resisting arrest and bail jumping, Sex offender. The system has issues but damn if people aren’t consistently jumping to conclusions here. His first conviction was for battery when he was 17.
I believe the dollar amount corresponds to the severity of the crime. And not everyone is granted bond, weren’t Arbery’s killers denied?
There's got to be more to it. I've never heard of a jurisdiction where you can get out simply by posting to the court 10% of the required amount. Did you get your money back?
So it was not a homicide, and it was a cash bail, or the equivalent of a $10,000.00 surety bond. That's maybe a little low for an assault with a deadly/dangerous weapon, but only by a couple of thousand.
I didn’t call you stupid. I said your point was fucking stupid. I said that because your point about moral compass and not thinking race plays into where his life took him was fucking stupid. You might be a bright dude. Kinda doubting it, but a system built on oppression of minorities that uses a prison industrial system to further oppress is a point that should be discussed. Edit: I’m willing to admit that this is t the best case study, but dismissing the affects of jail and what it does to people of color is very myopic and very white.
You're completely missing the point. It shouldn't be about who can afford what. It should 100% be on if you're a risk of flight or to the community. That's it. Setting a dollar amount that allows the rich to get bail and the poor not to for the same crime is incredibly fucked up.
Like I said, I know very little about posting bonds beyond my incident and watching Sneaky Pete, but just googled it and it seems Michigan offers it. "Under Michigan law, the 10 Percent Cash Deposit Bond is the only option where there is no cost to post bail. The entire 10 percent is returned as long as the defendant shows up for all court hearings."
I think that's an unusual option. I don't get the point in having a different amount if you only require 10% be posted--it's like turning the Court into the surety.
Seems like a compromise position between status quo and no cash bail by which the provision at least attempts to get defendants out without needing access to a bail bond. If the defendant jumps bail, he’s still on the hook for 100% when eventually found.
I do remember them saying if I didn't show up I was on the hook for the full amount, and not just forfeiting the 10%.
Great find. I believe his bail was low, and like everyone else is entitled to bail out. But I think I’m this case his bond should have been denied.
Yeah, I guess if access to a bail bond is difficult it makes sense. There's just so many around here (in a small area), I've never heard of people having trouble getting somebody to post.
I didn’t once dismiss of how jail can play role in a person and who they become. Many people including minorities have stated jail saved their life so it can go both ways. Either way that was never the point of my post. I was replying to a post that pointed out this thread went to shit before anyone knew the facts. Started with domestic terrorist and then shifted to blaming the system, which in this case was bullshit. You took that and ran with it in a whole different direction of what I was talking about.
***Not related to bail discussion*** Since this page will likely be scrolled through for most. I’m curious if the police weren’t chasing him. Then how/why did he end up driving through the parade? You’d think he’d know how to get away while trying to avoid attracting attention. Or it could just simply be an unfortunate serious of impulse turns after fleeing the knife fight, and he ends up in the middle of a parade? That’s karma letting you know it’s done with your ass if so. Hope they release a toxicology report cuz it seems like he had to be on something to have things get that out of control.
Only thing I can surmise is that he got lost in Waukesha's maze of downtown streets. Lots of one ways, odd turns etc. He tried to avoid hitting individuals as seen in the videos, panic took hold either due to police now chasing him or being shot at.
Tried to avoid hitting individuals for a while---he definitely did not try to avoid it at the end, and beyond not trying to avoid it seemed to be intending to hit as many as possible.
Some takes are so bad, you have no choice, and that was one of them, made worse by another person following up with the same BS.
You’re conflating what he had been convicted of with what he was charged with at the time he received bail.
Soros has funded a number of candidates for DA positions that back progressive platforms like no cash bail. I don’t think it’s specifically a religious call out but there’s probably at least the insinuation that the DA is a Soros puppet with all that allegation entails.
i could be wrong about bail but I think this is how it works. It’s not a “fine” it’s a promise of returning. So you have to pay 10% as long as you put up collateral (I could be wrong about that part) generally people don’t have the money so they go to a bail bonds man. That individual puts the money the (maybe the full amount) you end up paying them the 10% when the money is returned. So the court always returns the money once the case is over but if you went bail’s bond man you don’t get the 10% you put up. I don’t know if that makes sense.
lol we have a live one. I’ll go ahead and call you a POS and if I had to guess I’ll say your either Rules or bertwing ’s stupid chud brother bertstare
Generally, if you’re paying 10%, it’s because you are paying a bondsman, not posting it yourself. In that case, the bondsman actually puts up the entire 100%, and gets it back at the end, but you don’t get back your 10% because that’s the bondsman’s fee. So In that situation the court gets its entire 100% of the required bond. That’s different from a court taking only 10% of the bond. I haven’t seen that in any jurisdictions I practice in.
fuck this pos. So if I am correct he took an underage across state lines to have her engage in prostitution? He also got her pregnant and had a kid with her?
I regret defending this guy's argument in the Henry Ruggs thread. A sad result of our arcane marijuana laws.
Not really sure what your going for other than trying to get a few likes. You took the part off that I said I agreed with issues in the system but yes there are also success stories including those that were thrown in for minor charges. Not one part of that is untrue.