CHAMPS XVIII

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  1. southlick

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  2. southlick

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  3. Clown Baby

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    Probably because he got involved with those idiots trying to claim he quit
     
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  4. i am a bammer

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    Having your entire team leave seems like a strike against Oats, no?
     
  5. jplaYa

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    5 years ago yes, now? No, not at all
     
  6. southlick

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  7. Clown Baby

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    How does that answer that, Clint
     
  8. grayton

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    Not for me, especially with how last year went (consistently generating open shots when not turning it over) and the class we’ve got coming in.

    I’m interested in seeing how defense looks over the next couple years. Can’t remember who posted it in here, but ‘20-21 team was a major outlier in defensive efficiency for Oats coached teams. With enough talent, the system and style of play should generate enough opportunities for players to shine so that Bama can beat damn near anyone on a given night.

    but for consistency and winning in a variety of ways that’s required to make repeated deep runs, the normal level of defensive efficiency needs to bump up.
     
  9. grayton

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    ^ also, I have no idea what I’m doing so take that with a massive grain of salt lol
     
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  10. DDB

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    Saban doing his best to not completely dump on the kid.
     
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  11. Smuggy

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    I hate losing Gary because he seems like an ultimate glue guy who embraced his role. Tough guy but injuries retarded his progress every single season.
     
  12. The Blackfish

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    The gifs are the real loss
     
  13. southlick

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  14. OhReally

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    Haha! He slammed that door.
     
  15. Drown ‘Em

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  16. RJF-GUMP

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    Darius Miles is undeclared? Dude is def coming back
     
  17. stric006

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    Hall sucks bad.
     
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  18. PrinceWimbley

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    Sounds to me like:

    Hall continued problems through Spring > staff finds out he’s been shopping himself for transfer > remove him from roster > he responds on twitter and he’s not officially in transfer portal yet > add him back to roster but call him suspended knowing he will be in portal soon
     
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  19. Joey Freshwater

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    Hall is just weird af. That’s all.
     
  20. jplaYa

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    Probably the worst thing to happen to him was ballin out in A-day. He probably thought he deserved everything after that.
     
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  21. Sammy Meatballs

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    I’m still team Agiye.
     
  22. Stone Cold Steve Austin

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    Hard not to be
     
  23. Joey Freshwater

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    So with no decision from JD yet. Plus there’s smoke that Miles could be the next to hit the portal, we are going to be looking to land ALOT in the portal. 4 players or so. If we can take that international trip, this would 100% be the year for that. This team will need time to gel and get used to playing together. We will have a bunch of freshman and transfers to rely on aside from Bediako and Gurley. That international trip could be crucial for getting this team used to playing together and develop some chemistry.

     
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  24. Clown Baby

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    Hmm, Agiye or the chuds who “report” on Alabama football? However will I choose
     
  25. PrinceWimbley

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    I thought Quinerly already announced he was leaving.
     
  26. Joey Freshwater

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    some people think he’s coming back. He’s evidently removed things on this Twitter saying that he played his last game etc. I still think he’s gone tho.
     
  27. Drown ‘Em

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    He tweeted out something after we were knocked out of the NCAAT about not believing that he’d finish his last college game with the knee injury. But other than that there’s been nothing. I’d imagine the torn ACL at least has him considering coming back.
     
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  28. LeonardWashington

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    If Miles also leaves I think that's a bad sign. Guys in the 8 man rotation leaving is unusual even in today's age.

    Gary wasn't a great fit for the system offensively but he was one of the only guys willing to defend and he rebounded. I hope he reconsiders.

    And if this open the door for Rojas to come back.... I swear to God!
     
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  29. Joey Freshwater

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    i don’t think Rojas has that chance does he? I thought he was officially done. No Covid year. Nothing. At least I fucking hope so.
     
  30. Tommy Callahan

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    We obviously need an overhaul but this is alarming I feel like
     
  31. Drown ‘Em

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    I’m really not sure. He played 17-18 and 18-19 in JuCo. Then he transferred and tore his ACL, missing the entire 19-20 season with a redshirt. I have no idea if his redshirting means he doesn’t get the Covid extra season since it didn’t really affect his season. If not, he’s already played his 4 season in 5 years.
     
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  32. Odin

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    he still has a season. so does ellis
     
  33. Joey Freshwater

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  34. RJF-GUMP

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    I'm fine with the transfers. Got a bunch of stud freshmen coming in and we need to hit the portal. Didn't Miles also get suspended several times? I feel like we had a bunch of dudes with bad attitudes (Obviously Gary would not be included, I think him transferring is a product of our offensive system. ). Get them off the football and basketball teams (looking at you Agiye). I don't think it means that much relative to Oats. If it happened multiple years in a row, that would be another story.
     
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  35. Sammy Meatballs

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    Agiye transferring to the basketball team is obviously what’s happening
     
  36. RJF-GUMP

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    Kool Aid gonna have to be AA in 2 sports this year.
     
  37. Joey Freshwater

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    Kinda where I’m at on this. It’s not a great look, an is a little odd but what happened this year had a lot to do with the mental make up of that team and if the solution is to blow it up and start again then I’m for it. I really like Gary but he just isn’t a great fit for us at the 3/4. He doesn’t bring enough offensively to be a threat and help the offense. I love his hustle and defense but even that this year was a little soft compared to the previous year.

    I trust that Oats knows what he’s doing and can find the right pieces in the portal.
     
  38. Snakes

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    I will reserve judgement on Oats until after we know who is transferring in. If he hits on 3-4 of these guys nobody is going to lose any damn sleep over losing Gary or even Miles.
     
  39. LeonardWashington

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    I find it hard to believe that several of the players in our program, who were integral parts of one of the best teams in program history just a year ago, are all of a sudden cancers. These aren't guys like Hall that have had issues since day 1 (publicly, anyway). That is the company line though- not just here but that seems to be commonly accepted everywhere. I guess people want to believe that Herb Jones alone is a miracle worker, despite the fact that we weren't that good for the majority of his time here.

    Personally I think that's just an effort to pass the buck for last season when there is plenty of blame to go around for all parties. I don't think any one person or side is totally at fault, and that is why it is at least a little bit worrisome to see rotations guys leaving. If a guy is a proven productive player on the SEC level, I'd like to hold onto him. Not a huge concern, maybe like a 4 out of 10 right now, but I hope it's not indicative of some larger issue.
     
  40. Odin

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    gary was most often super underwhelming. i remember him dominating the offensive glass but when you look at the numbers he's not really that impressive. there's A LOT of empty minutes. he had a couple of good games early in the season but beyond that he was pretty mediocre. additionally, he's not good at defense. he tries and still isnt good. i was always told defense was all about effort but he has proven them wrong.
     
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  41. DDB

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    Gary early in the season looked like he was going to be an important piece, but after the injury he just wasn’t the same.
     
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  42. LeonardWashington

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    Yeah he was not good after his injury this season but he was awesome last year filling in for Bruner's minutes after he got hurt and became ineffective. We don't have those titles last year without his contributions imo.
     
  43. PrinceWimbley

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    I think it’s slightly troubling like Leonard described. But I’m willing to give Oats a one year pass on drastic roster turnover. If it becomes a trend, that’s bad.
     
  44. jplaYa

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    I mean I don’t think Oats intended on losing Primo and then the injury to Nimari. That was effectively losing a huge punch on both offense and defense. We had no quality depth and were limited defensively. I’m willing to give him more than a pass. Some things need to be lived to learn.
     
  45. RJF-GUMP

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    We had leaders and dogs on the 2020-2021 team. Petty was a leader after he got his head on straight and Herb was a leader. Guys like Shack and JQ were the supporting cast and weren't expected to be leaders. After losing Herb and Petty, JQ and Shack were expected to be leaders. Imo, both of them were more interested in their individual performances than being team leaders. JQ much more than Shack. Without some mature guys that are dogs on your team to hold others accountable and kick their ass if necessary, the cancers in the locker room fester. You then start to see problems with effort, energy, 50/50 balls, body language, guys not playing defense, etc.
     
  46. jplaYa

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    I think we knew what Shack was. I think we hoped we knew what JQ could be after the run in February/March. Shack regressed and JQ couldn’t take the step and by doing so regressed. It was so painful to watch in real time and I’m sure Oats felt helpless at times not having a freaking captain to steer the in court ship that was slowly sinking.
     
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  47. DDB

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    Caden Clark hit the portal. PrinceWimbley how do the numbers look now?
     
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  48. JohnLocke

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    Anyone got this link?

     
  49. DDB

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    Arch Manning’s top group clearly is Bama, UGA, Texas
    If you’ve been following Arch Manning’s recruitment at all, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to hear that multiple insiders and college sources agree that the Texas Longhorns, Georgia Bulldogs and Alabama Crimson Tide are the teams to beat.

    “I would say it’s 33%, 33% and 33%,” one coaching contact close to Manning’s recruitment said. “We’ve got as good of a shot as anybody.”

    Manning made much-publicized visits to all three schools in March and April. In addition, the On3 Recruiting Prediction Machine favors the Crimson Tide (34.9%), Longhorns (30.7%) and Bulldogs (28.7%).

    “There has been no eliminating of teams,” one source told On3. “There’s been no ‘This is my top six, top five, four, three, two or one.’ There are no top schools. No one has been eliminated. But it’s becoming clear that Georgia, Texas and Alabama – the three schools he just returned to again – are the schools he’s mulling over. And he’s expected to eventually choose from one of these three schools.”

    Another insider told On3 you can see that Texas, Georgia and Alabama are on top because of how they’ve approached other quarterback targets.

    “It’s a telling sign that Texas, Georgia and Alabama don’t have another quarterback commitment,” that source said. “They’re all obviously still in the race for Manning. We could get some hints on where things are going with Manning’s recruitment if one of those three schools takes a quarterback commitment from somebody else. But for now, all three schools like where they stand with him.”

    Texas ‘checks a lot of boxes’
    The insiders believe Texas has a really strong résumé in the race to land Arch Manning. It’s a résumé that stretches beyond the gridiron. One source said Manning is looking for the perfect college-life experience and that Austin “checks a lot of boxes” from that standpoint.

    “It’s a combination of both life in Austin and his affection for Steve Sarkisian,” a college coaching source said. “Not only does he like Austin, he loves Sark. He loves (Texas quarterback coach A.J.) Milwee. Those are probably the two best overall relationships he has in his recruitment.”

    The Longhorns also knocked it out of the park on his visit in late March. During the trip, Manning woke up with the team during spring practices and got a real feel of what it was like to be a Longhorns player.

    He’s also built strong relationships with a lot of the Longhorns’ top targets, such as the nation’s No. 2 running back, Rueben Owens. Plus, he’s close with guys like quarterback Hudson Card and others already on the roster.

    A lot of pieces in place at Georgia
    Georgia currently is third in the On3 Recruiting Prediction Machine, but multiple sources believe the Dawgs very much are in this race. In fact, three contacts in the coaching industry told On3 they believe Manning will end up in Athens.

    “(Offensive coordinator) Todd Monken has done a fantastic job at Georgia,” a contact said. “They’re coming off a national championship and look like they’re entering a whole new chapter of dominance.”

    Insiders say Manning loves Athens and how the community revolves around the Bulldogs’ football program. He is a fan of Georgia’s offense. Plus, he knows the loaded defense will keep the Dawgs in the game on those days when the offense might be struggling.

    “I think there’s a lot of pieces in place with Georgia,” one source said. “From Arch’s perspective, he’s looking at a Georgia offense that has NFL offensive linemen, NFL running backs and NFL-quality receivers.

    “He has a very strong relationship with Kirby Smart, who has not only been recruiting him for a good amount of time but in January he went to his basketball games. Since then, he has been taking a lead role in his recruitment.”

    Alabama is Alabama
    It’s not hard to see what the draw is for the Crimson Tide with Manning. The Tide has been the most dominant program in the country since Nick Saban took over. Plus, Alabama’s ability to send players to the next level is unrivaled.

    In addition, Saban has taken over as the lead recruiter for Manning, which speaks volumes about how important a target is for the Crimson Tide. But there are other positives that are big selling points for Manning.

    “(Defensive coordinator) Pete Golding is a Louisiana guy that has strong ties at Newman, throughout the state and has a great reputation,” an insider said. “Plus, Bill O’Brien ended up staying at Alabama. There is consistency at offensive coordinator, which is something he is aware of. The stability of Golding recruiting him and O’Brien as the coordinator helps Alabama.

    “Arch is also looking at the receiving corps, and you have guys like Aaron Anderson, Shazz Preston and Kendrick Law all coming in as part of the 2022 class. And those are three of the best players from Louisiana that Arch knows well.”

    All that, combined with Saban leading the recruitment, makes it appear Alabama is all in on Manning.

    “He’s No. 1 Alabama’s board,” another contact said. “Alabama is comfortable waiting as long as they need to until Arch says ‘no.’ So, that might say a lot.”

    Are Florida, LSU in it for Arch Manning?
    On3’s Sam Spiegelman reported earlier this spring that Florida and LSU could be potential visit destinations for Manning. But contacts close to both programs say the Gators and Tigers have to be considered down the list at this point.

    “LSU’s not in it right now,” one insider said. “The big thing to watch is that Newman is going to send quite a few kids to LSU just from an overall student body perspective.

    “Does he want to be at home? Does he want to go to college with a bunch of classmates from high school? Does he want to be in what would probably be a very comfortable setting from a college life perspective? That’s something to factor in. But I would say there’s no smoke between Arch and LSU.”

    It’s a similar story in Gainesville.

    “With Arch, there’s interest there,” a Florida contact said. “But there’s a long way to go. I’d hate to say they’re a long shot, but that’s really where it is until they get him on campus. Nothing has been scheduled yet. They’re still hoping to get it set, but nothing’s been set.”

    When will Arch Manning commit?
    Trying to determine when Manning will make his decision also is difficult. The goal of the Manning family has been to go through the recruiting process the right way. They wanted to take initial visits, follow that up with game-day trips, get closer to a final choice with spring trips and finally make a commitment before he started his senior year.

    But after his visits to Georgia, Texas and Alabama, things are very much up in the air. And it’s clear the family isn’t going to hurry just to stick to an original timeline.

    “The sense that I got is that he is legitimately considering all three of those schools,” an insider said. “He is torn. He can see himself at each of those three schools. But to comfortably commit, I don’t think he’s ready to do that as of now.

    “Does that change by August? Maybe. But from what I understand, Arch has told people in his camp that he might need longer to make this decision.”

    That might be especially true if he ends up leaning to the Longhorns.

    “Texas lost to Kansas last year,” the source said. “I think that’s where maybe the hesitation to commit before the season comes from.

    “With Alabama and Georgia, you can almost pencil them into the SEC championship game. With Texas, if he does elect to wait, I think that would be one of the reasons: ‘Let’s see what Texas looks like this year under Sark in year two.’ But in no way are they going to rush this.”
     
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  50. PrinceWimbley

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    I’ll run it shortly. With Clark gone and ::possibly:: Hall gone soon we should be really close. We are probably adding the Steen kid too though.
     
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