This whole thing is completely out of control and shows how poorly chess is managed by its head governing body
Yes it is a little shitty one of the best in world can lose and throw out cheating as the reason with no evidence and it sticks.
Only thing I can think of is Magnus convinced himself Hans was cheating and that completely threw him off. Really is, not a good look for Magnus imo. He’ll get the short term benefit of the doubt due to being the GOAT and Hans’ history but it’s flimsy at best.
I actually feel bad for Niemann. What would normally be viewed as a big upset and possible bump in Nieman's young career has been taken away from Nieman because of Carlsen's accusations. It is real shitty if Nieman did not cheat and is sitting there having to take all this instead of celebrating what could have been a high point for him.
Meh. If it’s a legit victory, he’s on a trajectory towards greatness. Still weirds me out he couldn’t actually explain his game plan when interviewed by STL. There’s something that’s just off about that, to me. Someone that’s been caught cheating, on more than one occasion, no less, is not owed the benefit of doubt, as it’s entirely self inflicted
yeah, i have no sympathy for cheaters. hell, he admitted to cheating and then chessdotcom came out and said he didn't even admit to all of the cheating.
That was one of the theories tossed out there for OTB. I am guessing online he used an engine to cheat but I don't know the story behind the online stuff.
guys, the vibrator was a joke when it was first proposed and it's been passed along as a theory as a meme
Seems like he has to be cheating. Hikaru has a video up talking about research on Hans’ games. He played engine moves over 90% of the time in over 30 games. Most GM’s play in the high/mid 60% range.
that's not true at all and depends on how you're measuring it. most GM accuracy is extremely high. Bobby Fischer matched the top engine choice on his moves 83% of the time and he played 40 years before chess engines.
Not sure how they got their numbers, but it said Fischer was 72% at his best when he won like 20 games in a row. Magnus was 70%.
So, that’s pretty damning, but still doesn’t prove anything OTB…. HOWEVER, his meteoric rise in rating OTB is better than Bobby Fischer and magnus. so. Yeah. Looks real bad
And ironic that they were willing to wipe it all under the rug if he had just been silent. Seems to be just burying him given his scorched earth interview, which is understandable given he came after them so aggressively. Your second part and the number of GMs is what stuck out to me.
There’s not enough OTB evidence to FIDE ban him but there’s more than enough to blackball him I think.
I hope Hans continues playing great chess. I watched some replays of some of his games on YouTube and they were very impressive. To the point where I would not be surprised if he did cheat. But I am hoping he did not, those games were legit, and he continues his climb up the ranks. It just will suck for him because he will always have cheating allegations hanging over his head. This is going to be an interesting story to follow because he is going to be checked very carefully before his otb tournaments and if he has a dramatic drop in play because of the extra scrutiny that wouldn't look good, but it wouldn't prove anything either. If he is cheating he will be caught eventually. I just hope he isn't and he continues to destroy players.
Forgot who it was but one mainboarder used to whoop my ass in chesswithfriends back in the day. Played him for like 2 months straight. I WANT MY REVENGE IF YOU'RE READING THIS SIR!!!
Cheating allegations only barely misses the point where he is a confessed cheater. I have actually recently finished a chapter on rule breaking in this dense game design textbook I’m slogging through. The cheater is highly aligned with the dedicated player. Both have an intense interest in winning. Both display the lusory attitude (essentially the spirit of play, willingness to abide by the artificial “magic circle” of the game) although the cheater only pretends while the dedicated player is extra-zealous. The cheat, most importantly though, seeks to fulfill their interest in winning by violating the operational rules in secret. The dedicated player adheres to and studies the rules in order to master them. The cheat goes beyond degenerate strategies (workarounds or exploits that ensure victory [stunlock in fighting games]) to break explicit rules. Hans is a cheater. He has cheated. He cheated for a purpose even higher than one or 100 games in a vacuum. He wanted fame and recognition to get him more viewers. I think it’s pretty despicable. I don’t understand how anyone could feel good playing a tournament with him.
I hate to keep beating this same drum, but the fact that he struggled understanding his own game when interviewed by STL Chess is pretty damning.
Meh given the communication with Chess.com makes it somewhat understanding. Especially given Regan and Chess.com can’t seem to find anything. Weird definitely but the only thing you can point to which doesn’t do it I don’t think. Doesn’t take away from his habitual cheating past. And given that imagine top GMs are done with him as they should be. Niemman’s cheating isn’t a huge surprise online given the past rumors and him leaving streaming. The bombshell to me would be cheating over the past two years OTB. Not saying it isn’t possible but would be a huge deal. Chess.com was willing to sweep this under the rug for the 101st time. That was the biggest thing that stuck out to me in the report.
Huh? I think we might be talking about different things. Hans exhibited next to zero understanding of his position when interviewed after the Magnus OTB resignation
the 100+ banned GMs makes me not really give a shit about online events. go ahead. ban him. but nobody can come close to proving anything OTB. Magnus claims to have known all this shit about him being a cheater but its really convenient that neither him, nor anyone else, brought it up until he lost. The only solution is for tournaments to massive up their anti-cheat measures for everyone. free hans
Magnus should have handled privately through some higher chess governing body like FIDE then publicly accusing him as well. That is what really bothers me. I just don't agree with trying to destroy someone's career without proof over losing a chess game
We are talking the same thing. Chess.com took him out of the GCC the day before the Magnus game with the letter indicating his habitual cheating. After that you have Magnus playing his worst game. My point is yeah he was awful explaining the game. But is that direct evidence of him cheating? No. Especially when Chess.com and Regan have indicated they don’t think he cheated against Magnus.
I think Hans is clearly cheating. That or he's by far and without question the best chess player of all time. Also, where does everyone play on here chess.com?