Chicago Bears - Soldier Fields

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  1. DirtBall

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    They definitely weren't worth it

    Hopefully they can add some dudes
     
  4. DirtBall

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    Parkins brought up a trade scenario I hadn’t heard before (and very doubtful to happen imo) but it was Fields, #9, and a 25 4th to NE for #3. I think Poles would have to be absolutely convinced MHJ was a lock HoFer to do that. Trading back seems much more likely.
     
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    That’s an easy yes. Essentially a 2nd and a 4th to move up 6 spots. No way NE does that
     
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    It’s a .0% chance of happening but Tanny had a good point. Every single current and former player loves/respects the hell out of Justin and what he’s been through. If any meatball sells out for Fields Mayo is a good candidate.
     
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    why do this when Nabers could and probably will be there at 9
     
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    That’s the “MHJ is a lock to be a HoF” part.
     
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    nobody is
     
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    He isn’t some sort of unicorn prospect
     
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    the people in the Midwest think this guy is worth the #1 pick. The hype for him is out of control.
     
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    Has Nabers been slipping a bit? Just curious why you think he’d probably be available at 9. I know he or odunze might be there but not sure I’d consider either particularly likely
     
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    I don’t like Odunze at all. Nabers is my dude and I want him in Chicago.

    I don’t think Nabers is slipping. I think QBs are getting pushed up
     
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    Curious why?
     
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    All is speculative until the combine but Odunze looked NFL fast to me with great deep ball and red zone ability. Nabers better after the catch. Saying all this without diving deep on either. But give me the guys that have speed and can make plays down the field that can open an offense up (MHJ is still my favorite, just makes everything look incredibly easy vs B1G defenses)
     
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    He’s been able to over power corners at the college level and has one of the highest contested catch percentages in this class. That traditionally doesn’t translate to the nfl when you’re going against stronger, taller and better talent. I call this the N’keal Harry situation and Odunze profile is very similar to Harry.
     
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    N’Keal Harry isn’t fast though. 11.4 100M

    Odunze is fast. 10.6 100M
     
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    I think I’m more sign Evans/K. Allen and either trade back at 9 for a center and defensive help or stay at 9 and try to find a LT or DE.
     
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    I feel like there’s more risk in overpaying a 30+ year old wide receiver than overpaying a 30+ edge rusher. I’d rather them target the top of the edge rusher (hunter specifically) and center free agent market.

    However to combat potentially missing on one of the first round WRs, I think it makes sense to sign a second or third tier free agent. Maybe someone like Tyler Boyd.

    Also I hope they stay at 9 and draft their highest rated LT if the WRs they want are gone
     
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    Is it possible to sign Hunter, K. Allen, and JJ? My only issue with trying to find a C in FA is that I read the good ones never hit FA
     
  21. GGCD

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    As an Ohio State fan who has seen every single one of MHJ's games, I think he is undoubtedly worth the hype.

    From a physical standpoint, he's probably the best WR prospect to come out of college in over 15 years.

    The only knocks I can make with him is that this year he made a handful of drops (almost all mental mistakes, I don't know if he dropped more than 1 before this season) and he's an average run-blocker.

    Body control is as elite as it gets. Speed is elite. Routes elite. Contested balls elite. Work ethic from all accounts elite. 6'3 to 6'4 range.

    He's going to make some corners look silly.

    With that being said, I don't think any WR can be drafted #1 overall.
     
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    I think MHJ easily has the highest floor of anyone that could be picked this year. Guaranteed 5-6 pro bowls. But I think he's more likely to have a Keyshawn-level career than he is to be a top tier game changer

    Don't think the speed really shows up on the field.
     
  23. GGCD

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    People say his speed doesn't show up on the field but also



     
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    With this time frame you’re saying he’s somewhere between Julio and Megatron?
     
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    I don’t think Keenan Allen is set to be a FA anymore (pretty sure they restructured his deal and he’s a FA next year now), but regardless I’m not sure if they’ll sign a top of the market WR and edge. This is an oversimplification but I’m guessing a top edge, WR, and JJ would all come with around a $20M cap hit. They have enough space to fit all that, but they wouldn’t have a ton more room to fill out the rest of the roster.

    I agree with you on center and had that similar fear, but I don’t think they have another choice at this point. I’d be in favor of them drafting a center in the first three rounds too though, i just feel like it’s relatively risky to rely on rookie center/qb combo next year.
     
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    I think you’ve swung me back to grabbing a WR at 9 if that’s true about K. Allen and the rest of the options are meh (after looking at the list again) besides Evans who’s rumored to want close to 30 mill. Just seems there’s a pretty good drop off after MHJ and Nabors, maybe if those 2 aren’t there at 9 they trade back and grab a C and WR later. If that’s the case your T Boyd scenario would look pretty good too….i like it.
     
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    He’s not better than Chase…
     
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    LT is the strongest position in the draft. You will have good value in round 2… but we have a huge gap between 9 and our next pick. Hopefully that’s fixed with a Fields trade.
     
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    if they keep 1.1 they’ll probably deal 1.9 for someone looking at OT/WR/Mccarthy
     
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    I mean WE should be looking at OT and WR as well.

    We have the worst WR core in the NFL for the last 5 years.

    Remember when people claimed Mooney was a top WR. How’s that worked out.

    We need to draft a WR early and sign a FA WR… this offense needs 3 WRs to work well.
     
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    I don’t disagree, just a hunch.
     
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    I really hope they don’t trade down at 9. They can get someone immediately impactful in an area of need, even if it’s not a WR (hopefully it is though)
     
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    Speaking of weapons and lack there of, what a drop off.

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    As a prospect coming out? Definitely, imo.

    Doesn't mean he'll be as good as Chase in the NFL.
     
  35. GGCD

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    Yeah, imo, purely as a prospect, he's below Randy Moss, Megatron, and maybe Larry Fitzgerald, but he's right there in that Julio Jones/AJ Green realm. I'd probably take him over those two coming out.
     
  36. GGCD

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    The problem to me with needing help at tackle, which is definitely a position we need to see improvement from in 2024, is that it's almost an undraftable position for the Bears.

    You can't draft over Darnell Wright because you just used an early 1st round pick on him and while he didn't exactly light the world on fire in his rookie season, there were definitely bright spots and you could see what made the FO fall in love with him.

    Meanwhile, our left tackle, Braxton Jones, was average-ish as far as LTs go, but he was our best offensive lineman by far.

    Do you draft a left tackle early in the draft and move our best offensive to a new position? Tough call.
     
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    What’s the reasoning for his lack of production?
     
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  38. Illinihockey

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    I read somewhere this graphic is not correct
     
  39. The Banks

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    You can pull a Detroit and have your LT be your best OL, draft the best OL in the draft, move him to RT, and have an all-pro set there for the next decade.
     
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    I don’t think they’ll move wright from RT. I think they think he can be that. I do think it’s possible they draft a LT and move Braxton inside. Their best Oline in my eyes is 1st round LT, Braxton, Free Agent C, Jenkins, Wright.
     
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  41. Bankz

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    By no analytical data is Harrison better than Chase. But believe what you want…
     
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    Because he’s not a generational prospect. He’s not in there class and all this talk is crazy.
     
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    His name is carrying a lot of weight
     
  44. Bankz

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    And this is the thing, he’s a great prospect. So this isn’t shade to say he’s just not an all time great prospect. What happens in the nfl is tbd… but the hype is nuts
     
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    This guy is a huge analytics data nerd. He’s someone that I’ve followed for years and he’s only about the data. He’s not breaking down film just looking at data.

    with that said… this is a very good breakdown of Justin coming into the league and what he’s done in the league.

     
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  47. Illinihockey

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    I just don’t understand the people that want to keep fields
     
  48. Bankz

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    Hes a good dude... and he's not been given a fair shot
     
  49. Illinihockey

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    he’s also not great at qb. He’s an animal friendly Michael Vick
     
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    He's Lamar without the passing ability. In a super run heavy team he could be above average as is... but he needs to improve his game because in a balanced offense he can't make the progression, be on time or throw with accuracy.

    But Lamar is flashy and fun when it works. People still think he stinks because the teammates and coaching around him are the problem. Not so much he can't do it