***Chicago Cubs - Blew It Up***

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  1. Chumbolone

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    I need a cigarette.
     
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  2. Illinihockey

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    Cubs would have been better to get the comp pick for Bryant
     
  3. backinblack23

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    How was this a disaster? We got decent prospects back for guys who might not resign with the Cubs anyway. No one is giving up their top guys for rental players. I look at it as we gave up on the rest of the season and traded away upcoming free agents and got a decent return, now if we still want to go after Baez or Rizzo or whoever we can do it after the season plus we have some more prospects in our farm system.
     
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  4. spagett

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    This team was going nowhere once it was clear their uptick was fools gold

    I will rage if we don't resign Javy
     
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  5. slogan119

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    I will miss all these guys. It pains me that management fucked around and we only got 1 World Series out of this group.

    But really, fuck the Ricketts for this.
     
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  6. Illinihockey

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    between darvish, kimbrel, Bryant, Rizzo, and baez we didn’t get a single top 30 prospect, maybe one top 50 if you include Madrigal’s injured ass.
     
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  7. backinblack23

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    Would you give your top prospects for a guy who might only play 60 games for you and you might not even win the World Series?
     
  8. Illinihockey

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    What'd the Cubs give up to get Chapman? Jose Berrios got a top 30 and a to 50 prospect for the Twins.
     
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  9. Lifeiskilingme79

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    Berrios is also locked down for next year too though.
     
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  10. Scblue

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    The Ricketts are the worst and basically have made me question a fandom I've had since I was born, but they should have broken this team up two years ago. The hitting has been broken since the WS win.
     
  11. spagett

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    If they fuck this up, I wouldn't not put a hit out on the ricketts
     
  12. Illinihockey

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    so is kimbrel
     
  13. Truman

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  14. backinblack23

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    Big difference in starting pitcher and closer. Plus the age difference and why keep Kimbral when chances are you arnt going to win many games
     
  15. nexus

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    I don't think anyone is saying he should have been kept, just that the returns for some of these deals seem underwhelming. This roster was totally mismanaged and this is the fallout, unfortunately
     
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  16. Bankz

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    Because 2016 is the same climate that 2021 is.
     
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  17. Illinihockey

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    exactly
     
  18. spagett

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    I didn't realize jake was pitching tonight

    Makes it an even worse day
     
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  19. backinblack23

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    I understand his point and he can be disappointed, I would have loved to get better prospects but we at least got something for them. My guess is we make a serious run at Baez and at least offer the other guys something. So we got decent return and possibly get a few guys back next year.
     
  20. Chumbolone

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    What are you willing to pay Baez?
     
  21. Lifeiskilingme79

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    I really think Baez's next contract is going to be a disaster. Once his bat slows down even a little he's screwed.
     
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  22. spagett

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    Billions
     
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  23. Chumbolone

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    I wouldn’t offer him the $180MM he turned down a year ago. We’re not resigning him unless he comes down to earth.
     
  24. The Subspace Mariner

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    The trade market has completely changed over the last 5 years. NO ONE is giving up top prospects for rentals anymore.
     
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  25. Bankz

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    Over 100 prospects were moved at the deadline. 3 ranked inside of BBA top 100.

    Its a new world in large part thanks to what deals like Theo made for Chapman and Q.
    This narrative that Ricketts ruined this team is straight bullshit. It’s had one of the highest payrolls in baseball for years under his control. He’s given probably to much power to Theo in the chase of a title by making some horrendous moves to push for another title that depleted the farm.

    Sure Ricketts has his faults and he doesn’t go without any blame but the core peaked in 2016. They attempted to improve around it and it didn’t work. They tried to hope new coaches and new way of doing things along with a fresh voice would help spark player development. None of it work.
     
  26. spagett

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    Is there actually a narrative that Ricketts ruined the team?
     
  27. Lifeiskilingme79

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    The narrative is that ownership did not try to improve the team which is true
     
  28. Illinihockey

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    they traded Darvish as a salary dump
     
  29. spagett

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    No doubt... just don't think that = ruining the team
     
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  30. spagett

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    Seems like a very dumb move by Jed, if true
     
  31. Lifeiskilingme79

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    Nothing like paraphrasing part of an interview and putting it in quotation marks like it's a direct quote.

     
  32. spagett

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    Yea I saw that, too

    That's why I said if true

    I'm sure the interview will be available to stream shortly
     
  33. spagett

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  35. spagett

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    So stupid. So insecure.

    It was them, not me!

    Do that shit AFTER next off-season, if you must
     
  36. RoderickJaynes

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    They fucked themselves so hard with the Heyward contract
     
  37. Illinihockey

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    not really, they have a ton of money. He only has 2 years and $44 mil left
     
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  38. spagett

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    My meatball brain will justify that contract until I die.

    If not for the speech, we lose.
     
  39. backinblack23

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    Or a very smart move for the owners sake. He makes the players look like they didn’t really want to be Cubs anymore and then when they don’t resign any of them this off-season people point the finger at the players and not management.

    I would’ve loved for those guys to stay Cubs but also they each had their downside and want to get paid and I’m not sure they would be worth their asking price.
     
  40. backinblack23

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    I’m the same way, his contract is worth the World Series to me just so I can justify it in my head.
     
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  41. Bankz

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    The narrative for 3 years now is that this ownership and this front office is a bunch of cheap bastards who’s only focus is to make money and not resign this core or even attempt to bring this core back.

    I have zero problems with the mouthpiece of the franchise speaking out about this bullshit narrative.

    As far as the “why” he knows and we all know the why… the why is they want to be on the open market in a bidding war. And if that fails they know where Chicago stands and what they will offer.

    Outside of Lindor every major stud is going to the market. And Lindor got a massive contract and wanted to clearly be in NY a big market with a huge PR population. It just made all the sense.
     
  42. spagett

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    It's going to take a whole lot more than this snippet by jed to make the fans turn on those guys
     
  43. backinblack23

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    I agree, but all he has to do is plant the seed and let it grow in people’s minds. I just can’t wait for all the bandwagon fans to be pissed when we don’t sign any of those guys back.
     
  44. RoderickJaynes

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    I was saying more so in the members of the core not being inclined to accept a “team friendly” deal after they gave that much money to j-hey. I know they have plenty of cash to spend now (if they choose to do so)
     
  45. Bankz

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    I don't think the point is for the fans to hate those guys. I think he wanted the franchise to be on the record officially and not via leaks that contract offers were made.

    It was reported by The Athletic that Rizzo and Javy had offers on the table this spring and that the Rizzo camp felt it was very low and they were looking for a deal on par with Freddy Freeman. Javy it seemed like was very very close to being done so not sure why that never happened. I also believe Bryant had an offer if not multiple over the last few years.
     
  46. Bankz

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    The take less money to stick around is sour grapes. Lynn isn't the same level of player that Bryant and Javy are. They got Hendricks and even Bote to sign longer deals, one worked out for Chicago the other not so much.

    I think the key part of the interview is Hoyer saying the offers on table will stand up even in this upcoming free agency.
     
  47. Illinihockey

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    There's no chance in hell I'm giving Rizzo an 8 year deal. We'll see what those guys get in free agency but would anyone want to give Bryant 10 years $300 mil?
     
  48. Lifeiskilingme79

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    Per the Athletic, the Rays and Cubs talked about a deal that would have sent center fielder Kevin Kiermaier and prospects to Chicago for Kris Bryant and a larger deal for Bryant and Kimbrel that centered around injured Rays ace right-hander Tyler Glasnow.
     
  49. Trofie

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    Not accurate
     
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