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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by wes tegg, Sep 9, 2015.
Were you in the mainland?
nah here's the deal with that.
in China, a citizen can't just live in whatever city they like. China has an internal migration control called "Hukou," which basically means most people are destined from birth to only live in rural areas, and only the relatively privileged can live somewhere like Beijing or Shanghai.
So when the OECD, or whoever the fuck conducts those studies, starts asking China for permissions to test students, China only allows them to test a small subset of the population: the kids from wealthy, high-achieving families in Shanhai and Beijing. So their numbers are not comparable with anyone else, because nobody else engages in Brave New World-style population sorting with 1 billion people
Is there any explanation for why this is normal in China? Just overcrowding/not enough restrooms?
no one has said anything about the 1st comment? It goes pretty hard to the hoop
Have you ever eaten Chinese food? Sometimes there's not enough time to make it to the john.
Yeah, Mark left no doubt...
apparently chinese people spit a lot also
i'm pretty sure you can be fined in singapore for spitting in public
good to hear. hope this slows down/distarcts the phenomenon that is picking up your dogs shit with a bag.
the way i understand it, mao's cultural revolution was really severe and explains a lot about certain aspects of chinese selfishness
i don't know if it can explain why they shit everywhere
Why you no pick up dog poo?
if it goes in someone's yard or driveway i would, but i think its a little overboard if youre going for a walk and it is in some big ass park. i mean 10000 animals use the bathroom there.
i also dont have a dog fwiw.
Hope ESPN does a 30/30 on this.
Insane overcrowding, yep. This is also strictly a Chinese thing, not Asian. They're basically the rudest people on the planet because they have to be back home and they have no idea how to flip the switch when they go somewhere else which is why Chinese tourists are leaps and bounds worse than even the baddest stereotypical American tourists and their country is on a huge campaign to educate people on basic things like not shitting in public or pushing your way to the front of a line. They're also repulsively vile and lacking in hygiene. You can board a train and you'll end up next to some 75 year old woman who will spend the entire ride spitting into a plastic bag she's holding because that's also a thing there.
There's essentially no manners there. You could go there and be the biggest dick in the world and nobody would bat an eye really. It's every man for themselves out there and they give zero fucks.
Woe be if you ever go there and get hit by a car because the driver will back up and continue to run you over until you're dead because it's cheaper to pay the family of the victim for the death than it is to pay the victim for life(basically if you injure someone there and they can't work, you pay their salary for essentially life which is why scams are a big thing there).
I'm pretty sure I would have thrown up if I were stuck on that flight with the child shitter. It's hard enough sitting close to the lavatories, but someone shitting in the middle of a cylinder would have me heaving all over the place.
what the fuck
I should point out it's more like whatever time they miss from work you pay so it's not like someone with a broken hip is disabled for life. but still, if you were to fuck up to the point where they're paralyzed or seriously injured you will be paying for a long, long time, which is why people often will just finish the job and pay a flat payment for the death rather than risk paying way more over the course of time if the person survives and can't work for a significant period of time.
I guess I'm on the wrong side of this debate. I want to shit in public. That would be a lot easier than having to find a restroom all the time. Then again, this happens in my benevolent dictator fantasy, so I'm the only one allowed to shit in public.
It's actually sad but I'll be damned if imagining an asian driver doing this doesn't have me in stitches
Part of the problem is that for many years mainlanders couldn't freely travel. Those that wanted to get out usually left everything behind and illegally entered Hong Kong or Macau. Then they had to spend some time to at least save up some money before heading elsewhere.
The thing that gets me is how much people in Hong Kong dislike mainlanders. I've heard the same thing about Shanghai natives, how they look down on people from elsewhere. If you had a free and fair election right now, I guarantee the majority of people in Hong Kong would vote for returning to being a UK colony rather than being part of China. If you ask most people in HK are they Chinese, they will reply, no, they're from Hong Kong.
This is a thing now, eh?
The grandparents' reactions get me good. Especially the grandfather in the last one I quoted
When we stop having Pigeon Tuesday, then we judge their shit.
Yes...Beijing, Shanghai and Xi'an
de-evolution is fun
yeah because you know they'd back up slow as fuck and miss you a few times
And they don't get charged criminally?
"Egggg, you been eatin' corn?"
"I ain't gonna tell nobody else."
there's a lot of stuff there that the punishment is more about financial restitution than jail time. stuff like I'm talking about is never treated like murder even if that's actually what it is when they make a decision to keep running them over.
That is scary.
As a producer of scat porn you are talking about the wholesale devaluation of an entire segment of my livelyhood.
Yard shitting is the equivalent of solo girl action. It's like a break in point for newbies.
If this becomes a thing here in America I will be doomed to a life of Cleveland Steamers and their funky camera angles.
Damn you China! Damn you to Hell!
Called a squat toilet
Sounds like TMB
Shut the fuck up Jake
I will shit in your yard.
Oh yeah? You're gonna have to push your way to the front of the line first buddy
Got back last night from 2 weeks in Xian. This is real and I just cant unsee some of the things and I just cant explain some of the things I have seen. My office is in Shanghai and the spitting thing is a component of the pollution as I have to hack up a lung every morning BUT I DO IT IN PRIVATE. Also, and I am not proud of this, but the line pushing thing sent me over the edge when getting off the plane in Detroit last night. I had 3 - 5 pushing to get around me with nowhere to go as the door was not open and its not like all the passengers on a 747 are going to get off at the same time. Any way, took backpack out of over head, swung it back violently and literally watched a good half dozen fall like dominoes.
No one was black, right?
It's all good.
"I'm not proud of this but yesterday I whipped 5 Asians' ass with a backpack"
wes tegg You always have A+ avatars. The kid in the middle school game ready to kill his teammates was where it all began
Here's an article on China's pedestrian murder trend. Just fucking awful.
Driven to Kill
Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit.
By Geoffrey Sant
cameras have regularly captured drivers driving back and forth on top of victims to make sure that they are dead. The Chinese language even has an adage for the phenomenon: “It is better to hit to kill than to hit and injure.”
This 2008 television report features security camera footage of a dusty white Passat reversing at high speed and smashing into a 64-year-old grandmother. The Passat’s back wheels bounce up over her head and body. The driver, Zhao Xiao Cheng, stops the car for a moment then hits the gas, causing his front wheels to roll over the woman. Then Zhao shifts into drive, wheels grinding the woman into the pavement. Zhao is not done. Twice more he shifts back and forth between drive and reverse, each time thudding over the grandmother’s body. He then speeds away from her corpse.
Incredibly, Zhao was found not guilty of intentional homicide. Accepting Zhao’s claim that he thought he was driving over a trash bag, the court of Taizhou in Zhejiang province sentenced him to just three years in prison for “negligence.” Zhao’s case was unusual only in that it was caught on video. As the television anchor noted, “You can see online an endless stream of stories talking about cases similar to this one.”
“Double-hit cases” have been around for decades. I first heard of the “hit-to-kill” phenomenon in Taiwan in the mid-1990s when I was working there as an English teacher. A fellow teacher would drive us to classes. After one near-miss of a motorcyclist, he said, “If I hit someone, I’ll hit him again and make sure he’s dead.” Enjoying my shock, he explained that in Taiwan, if you cripple a man, you pay for the injured person’s care for a lifetime. But if you kill the person, you “only have to pay once, like a burial fee.” He insisted he was serious—and that this was common.
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How Can This Possibly Happen?
Geoffrey Sant wrote about drivers in China who intentionally kill pedestrians. Ask him anything.
Most people agree that the hit-to-kill phenomenon stems at least in part from perverse laws on victim compensation. In China the compensation for killing a victim in a traffic accident is relatively small—amounts typically range from $30,000 to $50,000—and once payment is made, the matter is over. By contrast, paying for lifetime care for a disabled survivor can run into the millions. The Chinese press recently described how one disabled man received about $400,000 for the first 23 years of his care. Drivers who decide to hit-and-kill do so because killing is far more economical. Indeed, Zhao Xiao Cheng—the man caught on a security camera video driving over a grandmother five times—ended up paying only about $70,000 in compensation.
video captured a wealthy young man reversing his BMW X6 out of a parking spot. He hits a 3-year-old boy, knocking the child to the ground and rolling over his skull. The driver then shifts his BMW into drive and crushes the child again. Remarkably, the driver then gets out of the BMW, puts the vehicle in reverse, and guides it with his hand as he walks the vehicle backward over the boy’s crumpled body. The man’s foot is so close to the toddler’s head that, if alive, the boy could have reached out and touched him. The driver then puts the BMW in drive again, running over the boy one last time as he drives away.
Here too, the driver was charged only with accidentally causing a person’s death. (He claimed to have confused the boy with a cardboard box or trash bag.) Police rejected charges of murder and even of fleeing the scene of the crime, ignoring the fact that the driver ran over the boy’s head as he sped away.
These drivers are willing to kill not only because it is cheaper, but also because they expect to escape murder charges. In the days before video cameras became widespread, it was rare to have evidence that a driver hit the victim twice. Even in today’s age of cellphone cameras, drivers seem confident that they can either bribe local officials or hire a lawyer to evade murder charges.
Perhaps the most horrific of these hit-to-kill cases are the ones in which the initial collision didn’t injure the victim seriously, and yet the driver came back and killed the victim anyway. In Sichuan province, an enormous, dirt-encrusted truck knocked down a 2-year-old boy. The toddler was only dazed by the initial blow, and immediately climbed to his feet. Eyewitnesses said that the boy went to fetch his umbrella, which had been thrown across the street by the impact, when the truck reversed and crushed him, this time killing him.
Despite the eyewitness testimony, the county chief of police declared that the truck had never reversed, never hit the boy a second time, and that the wheels never rolled over the child. Meanwhile, one outraged website posted photographs appearing to show the child’s body under the truck’s front wheel.
In each of these cases, despite video and photographs showing that the driver hit the victim a second, and often even a third, fourth, and fifth time, the drivers ended up paying the same or less in compensation and jail time than they would have if they had merely injured the victim.
With so many hit-to-kill drivers escaping serious punishment, the Chinese public has sometimes taken matters into its own hands. In 2013 a crowd in Zhengzhou in Henan province beat a wealthy driver who killed a 6-year-old after allegedly running him over twice. (A television report claims the crowd had acted on “false rumors.” However, at least five witnesses assert on camera that the man had run over the child a second time.)
Of course, not every hit-to-kill driver escapes serious punishment. A man named Yao Jiaxin who in 2010 hit a bicyclist in Xian and returned to make sure she was dead—even stabbing the injured woman with a knife—was convicted and executed. In 2014 a driver named Zhang Qingda who had hit an elderly man in Jiayu Pass in Gansu province with his pickup truck and circled around to crush the man again was sentenced to 15 years in prison.
Both China and Taiwan have passed laws attempting to eradicate hit-to-kill cases. Taiwan’s legislature reformed Article 6 of its Civil Code, which had long restricted the ability to bring civil lawsuits on behalf of others (such as a person killed in a traffic accident). Meanwhile, China’s legislature has emphasized that multiple-hit cases should be treated as murders. Yet even when a driver hits a victim multiple times, it can be hard to prove intent and causation—at least to the satisfaction of China’s courts. Judges, police, and media often seem to accept rather unbelievable claims that the drivers hit the victims multiple times accidentally, or that the drivers confused the victims with inanimate objects.
My God. I am amazed that more of these cases don't end in vigilante justice. 1.2k CommentsJoin In
Hit-to-kill cases continue, and hit-to-kill drivers regularly escape serious punishment. In January a woman was caught on video repeatedly driving over an old man who had slipped in the snow. In April a school bus driver in Shuangcheng was accused of driving over a 5-year-old girl again and again. In May a security camera filmed a truck driver running over a young boy four times; the driver claimed that he had never noticed the child.
And last month the unlicensed woman who had killed the 2-year-old in the fruit market with her BMW—and then offered to bribe the family—was brought to court. She claimed Shitty AMC Show was an accident. Prosecutors accepted her assertion, and recommended that the court reduce her sentence to two to four years in prison.
This light sentence would still be more of a punishment than many drivers have received for similar crimes. But it probably won’t be enough to keep the next driver from putting his car in reverse and hitting the gas.
Gets me every time.
So PRC is a real life Most Dangerous Game situation?