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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by The Goat, Apr 10, 2015.
I can get behind that
college hoops should focus on fixing their officiating issue before they worry about losing kids to the NBA
How much of that call is the NCAA's to make? I agree with him about that system being far superior to what exists now, but can the NCAA just create the rule that states a player who was drafted can still play CBB? Or that a player is eligible for the draft even if he doesn't declare for it?
don't think that would work out as well for the ncaa as others seem to think
Ncaa has nothing to do with whose eligible to declare(the leagues decide that on their own) but that can absolutely decide whose eligible to play NCAA. They could absolutely implement this on their own without any agreement from the nba. However, they’d probably want to work with nba on it because of off season rules(summer league and prospect camps) and signing timelines so nba team aren’t signing guys off people’s rosters mid season.
The NBA has had the goal of making the G League into a farm system similar to baseball or hockey since the day it was formed. There are only two teams left in the G League that aren't owned by an NBA team. There will be more changes and more money thrown into their respective teams once they're all owned by NBA teams.
The main goal isn't profitability. They also want to use these teams as a farm system for their coaching staffs, trainers, scouts, etc. You can pay these people a minimal salary and train and evaluate their performance before committing to a full long term hire on the NBA squad. They're also a rehab option for bringing players back from injury.
You'd be surprised by how many people stream G League games in China. It's a massive market for the NBA.
I was a G League team minority owner for 5 years before I sold my shares in the fall. I did not hear anything about the "select team" exhibition games prior to this. I guarantee once every NBA team owns their own team this will dissolve and there will be some type of system to get the elite high school players straight to G League teams. Paying them a few hundred grand is a drop in the bucket for NBA teams. It's difficult to project a year out but if you're a shitty NBA team and you know you'll have a position of need it's a no brainer to get a prospect under your own roof for a year in hopes of drafting them if they turn out.
As of early last year Silver wanted to keep the one and done rule for the upcoming bargaining agreement - one year in college or one year in G League before entering the draft. He's confident it will get to a point where top prospects will opt for the G League for a year over college. After recent developments it appears he's right.
In summary the NBA is all in on the G League and willing to pony up the resources to lure these prospects in.
Why not? What’s the drawback or downside?
Appreciate the different perspective, but I don't see how it makes any sense for the league to do this unless it lifts the ban on HS entry into the draft. It makes complete sense to allow HS kids in the draft again now that the G League is a thing.
I think it accelerates everything that is going to happen with the g league
nba won’t go to a 7 round draft like hockey does, but it seems pretty reasonable that they’d add a round or two if the ncaa goes in that direction, thus inviting more kids into their model
and i think the package they will have to offer will be more enticing to the top flight kids than the collegiate model
I could see this happening, but I also think it would be bad for the NBA to go that route. I think adding significantly more guys would make it more challenging to develop players at the G League level, and they'd be missing out on a major marketing opportunity if they're taking all the players out of CBB. But they don't seem to be worried at the latter part of that so what do I know?
Ts and Ps to the SEC PA announcers
Greg Brown to Texas
I’d like to know what Shaka Smart is selling these big men to get them to Texas just to lose all the time
Kerwin Walton to UNC tomorrow?
our mods saying he hasn’t informed any coaches or made a decision. feel pretty confident personally but who knows
one guy on our board who’s friends with a couple of the current players says it’s us but idk
kerwin walton to unc
I imagine Cronin will blame that on the refs too
Dylan Cardwell will announce for Auburn tomorrow
Yes, we will be the Auburn Athletes Of Tomorrow next season
unc finishes with the #2 class after 247 finalized their rankings. love to see it folks
highest ranked class for us in more than a decade.
I should be posting this in the G-League or NBA thread but my GOD man
He’s going to be a problem over the next couple decades
He won national player of the year as a sophomore
Is that good?
Earth to bert! I need context here.
But for real, I haven't followed basketball recruiting closely in a decade, but I keep track of it enough to feel comfortable saying that I do not remember a better high school prospect than Emoni Bates since LeBron. And obviously he and LeBron are not the same players, but I do not recall a more skilled+versatile+long player in the last 15 years. And at 16 fucking years old.
He’s going to look great in green and white.
"And the starting forward for YOUR Boston Celtics....Emoni Bates!"
I don’t think that’s ever happened before
KU gets a commitment from 4 star PF Zach Clemence in Class of 2021. Plays for Sunrise Academy in Wichita.
Cissee reclassified, fsu feels like it's a LSU/fsu battle. Does anyone actually know where he may go?
I’m going with LSU. I don’t really know why he made Kentucky a finalist unless it’s for attention. It doesn’t make much sense for him this year unless he’s fine OK with getting like 20 minutes a game.
should come to FSU and repeat as natioNal champs
I thought that UK was desperate enough for big men to the extent of taking Matt Haarms. Did this change? Didnt think the Wake kid was going to be eligible this year.
He has to get a waiver but the current train of thought is he is likely to get it with Forbes working to help get it. The NCAA has recently granted them if the previous school/coach have done that.
#Texas Tech Red Raiders Rage enganged
Getting away from Penny and Mike's pressure.
Can someone post this article please?
The high school Class of 2021 arguably will be the most under-recruited college basketball class in recent memory. No April evaluation period, no June evaluation period, no July evaluation period -- and who knows what the high school season will look like? There's also the question of campus visits and when players will be able to travel and see potential schools.
All that adds up to plenty of uncertainty regarding the recruitment of 2021 prospects, while the added option of the G League provides another wrinkle when attempting to handicap some of these battles.
It's still very early for most of these recruitments, so it's going to be hard to make an educated decision on where each of these players will end up. But tiers and top groups are beginning to develop.
1. Chet Holmgren, 7-0, 175 pounds, C
Holmgren is unique. One of the most special players we've seen in the high school game in a few years, given his size, frame and skill set -- and his recruitment isn't like that of other top-ranked prospects, either. Holmgren has taken official visits to Ohio State and Gonzaga, as well as unofficial trips to Minnesota, Maryland and Georgetown. He told ESPN that Minnesota, Gonzaga, Michigan, Georgetown, Michigan, North Carolina and Ohio State are the main schools staying in contact. He plans to cut his list in the next couple of weeks.
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The Minnesota native is close friends with and a former AAU teammate of elite 2020 guard Jalen Suggs, who is going to suit up for Gonzaga next season. The Bulldogs have been a mainstay in Holmgren's recruitment and are perceived to be one of the favorites.
"That's my guy, and I'm going to be closely tuned in to see his successes -- especially because I'll miss playing with him," Holmgren said.
Despite the looming list cut, Holmgren's decision isn't coming any time soon. He wants to take all five official visits and will likely take his time going through the process.
Gonzaga, Ohio State and Minnesota are probably the top tier right now.
2. Patrick Baldwin Jr., 6-9, 200 pounds, PF
Baldwin released his list of 10 schools on May 9, with Wisconsin, Duke, Milwaukee, Virginia, North Carolina, Northwestern, Georgetown, Michigan, UCLA and Kentucky remaining in the mix. This has long been considered a blue-blood vs. Milwaukee battle. Why Milwaukee? Baldwin's father, Pat, is the coach of the Panthers and has made Milwaukee a legitimate candidate for his top-5 son. Northwestern is another option, as both of Baldwin's parents played there.
Duke, which landed Baldwin AAU teammate Jalen Johnson in the 2020 class, leads the way if Baldwin decides not to play for his father. Kentucky also is expected to be a major factor. He has visited Duke, Milwaukee, Northwestern and North Carolina.
Duke vs. Milwaukee might be the best way to handicap this one right now.
3. Paolo Banchero, 6-8, 230 pounds, PF
Banchero has been a sought-after recruit for most of his high school career, and he has actually progressed more in his recruitment than most other elite prospects. He visited Kentucky, Duke and Tennessee last October, then went to Gonzaga in January. The Seattle native also has been to Washington. Those five schools made up the majority of Banchero's final six, which he revealed in late April. The sixth school on that list was Arizona, which didn't jump in with both feet until a couple of months ago, but the Wildcats' hiring of Jason Terry as their assistant coach puts them squarely in the mix.
Banchero's recruitment has seen plenty of twists and turns, with nearly every school on his list looking like the perceived favorite at one point or another. Another wrinkle is Banchero's relationship with five-star guard Kennedy Chandler; the two have discussed playing together in college. The three schools in common for Banchero and Chandler are Tennessee, Kentucky and Duke.
It's hard to find a true favorite, but Kentucky is in a strong position, while Gonzaga and Tennessee likely make up the next tier. I wouldn't count out any of the six, though.
Jaden Hardy, 6-5, 185 pounds, SG
Hardy is the best guard in the 2021 class and has established himself as one of the best scorers in high school basketball over the past few years. He told ESPN that Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan, Memphis, Georgia, Illinois and Georgetown remain in consistent contact with him, and his brother, Amauri, recently committed to Oregon as a graduate transfer.
Hardy has been on unofficial visits to Arizona, Arizona State and UCLA, and he told ESPN he wants to take visits to Kentucky and Michigan when he's allowed. Hardy plays his high school ball in Las Vegas, but his family originally is from Detroit, and the Wolverines jumped into the mix a couple of months after Juwan Howard took over in Ann Arbor.
Kentucky has been considered the leader for most of Hardy's recruitment.
5. Jabari Smith, 6-8, 190 pounds, PF
It has been difficult to get a read on Smith's recruitment, as he doesn't talk much about school lists and wasn't a candidate to reclassify, unlike most of his top-10 brethren. That said, the expectation from those involved in Smith's recruitment is that he will stay close to home. The Georgia native's list is made up mostly of SEC programs, and he has visited Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn.
Smith told ESPN that Georgia, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Auburn, LSU and Ole Miss remain in heavy contact, while North Carolina recently began showing strong interest.
The three schools he visited are considered the favorites, although LSU is a factor given Smith's father played for the Tigers before playing in the NBA for a few seasons before heading overseas.
6. Michael Foster, 6-9, 240 pounds, PF
Another player who flirted with the idea of reclassifying, Foster told ESPN he's sticking in the 2021 class. It's mostly because of his age; Foster just turned 17 last week and is young for his grade. He would be even younger for his grade if he had enrolled in college a year early.
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"I don't want to be in school two years [solely] due to my age," Foster said. "Now if I'm in school and the NBA says I'm not ready, I'll go back to school, but not just because I'm too young."
Foster has taken an official visit to Georgia and unofficial visits to Baylor and Illinois. He wants to go back to Georgia because he enjoyed seeing a football game in Athens last year but also wants to take trips to Florida State, Arkansas, Kansas and Michigan so he can see the schools that have made him a priority.
Right now, Georgia is garnering the most buzz.
7. Moussa Diabate, 6-10, 215 pounds, PF
Stop me if you've heard this before: Diabate was another candidate to reclassify into the 2020 class, but he's not planning to do that at this point. Diabate told ESPN that Alabama, Auburn, Michigan, Florida and Arizona are the five schools that have stayed in constant contact over the past few months. Of that group, Diabate has been to only Auburn.
There has been hardly any buzz regarding Diabate in terms of favorites, so it's impossible to pick a favorite or even a top tier at this point. Those five schools he mentioned to ESPN are a good starting point, though.
8. Nate Bittle, 6-11, 173 pounds, C
Another high-level big toward the top of the 2021 rankings, Bittle has taken concrete steps in his recruitment over the past year. The Oregon native has been a prime candidate to stay home for college, with the Ducks having been considered a favorite for a couple of years. That said, Bittle also took trips to Arizona and UCLA last fall and went to Gonzaga in January.
For now, let's give Oregon the best chance for Bittle, with UCLA and Arizona right behind. Gonzaga will likely wait and see what happens with Holmgren and Banchero.
9. A.J. Griffin, 6-6, 195 pounds, SF
The only committed player in the 2021 top-10, Griffin announced his pledge to Duke in early November, choosing the Blue Devils over Villanova, Kentucky and others. Griffin is expected to be the start to another big-time recruiting class for Mike Krzyzewski's program, with Baldwin, Banchero, Max Christie, Kennedy Chandler and others atop Duke's hit list.
10. Aminu Mohammed, 6-5, 190 pounds, SG
Mohammed's guardian, Shawn Harmon, told ESPN that Georgia, Indiana, Louisville and Wake Forest have been the most consistent schools in terms of staying in contact. Harmon also mentioned Maryland -- where Mohammed took an official visit last fall -- SMU, Kansas State, Pittsburgh and Georgetown as schools that have been keeping in touch. Mohammed has taken unofficial visits to Kansas State, Louisville and Indiana.
"For us it's a marathon, not a sprint, so we're just trying to build a relationship with all the schools that have made offers," Harmon said. "We think it's a great list of schools and some really good coaching staffs."
Harmon said there are no plans to reclassify into 2020, despite rumors suggesting it's a possibility. There's no public top group for Mohammed, but Indiana has been involved a long time and continues to impress with its pitches.
Thanks. Keep reading we are in a good spot with Mohammed, would love to get him.
looking at that list makes me realize how little I know about the '21 class so far
I love that the #1 overall guy's name is fucking Chet.
Tennessee is in the final list for some prime targets. Chandler seems to be trending Vols.
Get one of Banchero + Smith to tag team with him would be sweet.
White Kevin Durant
Theyll go to the G League