Our secretary still appears set on going to Italy tomorrow. We were discussing the possibility of a travel restriction to and from Italy while she was there. That would really be some sort of poetic justice. We've also discussed not letting her come back to work for 2 weeks if she does return as expected. That should go over well.
Fucking over your secretary’s travel plans will totally save your office from an illness that’s likely running rampant in your own town. Makes perfect sense.
Jesus Christ, you typed one thing and said the opposite a sentence later. There is a very large gap between the seasonal flu and a severe flu. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the flu is.
Not sure if it means anything but I was supposed to be in Beijing in January now my peeps in China are saying my trip on March 29th is 80% a go. They monitor all things including getting back into the EU. I have no issues with coronavirus as I have been told by people much smarter than me, due to my occupation I would have a high level of immunity to the current strain. I’m worried about travel logistics and being locked out of the EU or the US.
My favorite is when people say “I have the flu” and then talk about all of their diarrhea and vomiting. Guys, I have strep throat, my feet are bleeding and my hair is falling out.
It’s a direct quote from the doctors themselves. “This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.” I’m going to kindly ask all you badass armchair epidemiologists to take it down about 20 notches or collectively go fist yourselves. Preferably with covid infested fingers.
HA! She knows the risks both to herself and to others and still refuses to consider cancelling her trip. She should go have a great time.
You're applying your life experience in the U.S. to life experience in China. Doesn't really work. You're also applying hindsight, now that we know a little bit more about this since it has spread. You're also being a jackass to the people of Hubei province who have suffered greatly. Fuck them though, sorry your wallet is hurting.
I should have been clearer with my number...I meant overall percentage of factory output. That's the standard procedure for factories that are online. Beijing is pushing to get all of them back online. There is still local resistance to that push, so there are still a fair amount of factories that haven't started back up after the Spring Festival downtime.
I blame the Chinese gov’t, not the people. It was the Party’s decision to shut down factories and quarantine entire cities, not individuals or business. I couldn’t give a shit about my wallet. Other than some elderly relatives, who I do fear for, none of my family will be hurt economically by this to a great degree. However, it’s going to be fucking devastating for those on the margins and those that depend on international trade. Characterizing it as “oh it’s just money” completely misses the point. On a macro level, massive amounts of money lost = real people dying and real people seeing their life expectancies decline dramatically.
Not that I'm aware of. Outbreaks like this also do not happen often either though. Terrible timing, and it sucks, but, and maybe I'm crazy, safety is paramount. I mean we have an older guy in our office who is currently going through chemo. If I were him I'd be in a bubble for 2 weeks after she returns. Though, worst case scenario, if it goes through our office, he most likely will not be able to avoid it. Again, absolute worst case, but you could draw a direct line between her not wanting to miss out on her trip and comprising a high-risk co-worker. I dunno, hopefully she doesn't lick too many door knobs in Italy.
CDC abruptly postpones coronavirus press briefing politico.com/news/2... Guess Big Mike is in a prayer meeting
You literally just talked out your ass without even bothering to read the article. It says exactly, word for word, what I claimed. Apology accepted, I guess. Sure, I’ve said “cold” or “flu” in a flippant manner in posts that are obviously sarcastic. I’ve also repeatedly said “severe flu,” etc... Again, dial it back a few notches partner.
1 to 3 or 4 is still in the same ballpark as the flu. The point was it’s more flu-like than it is measles-like on R0.
We are same...we don't have a set return date (it was March 5, but that was always tentative and was dropped last week), but the prevailing assumption is end of March. Things are fairly stable in China now, outside of Hubei province. The travel logistics are the trick, especially with cases popping off in Korea and Japan. Those are the two main alternatives to get around the direct flight suspensions. And then you have the return issues with entry/quarantine (I wouldn't have to deal with this until June or July, fortunately).
I certainly agree that it's going to have downstream effects. You're spot on there. I think you don't have a clue about the initial response, the information available at that point, or what the Chinese (central) govt. actually wants right now.
I will never understand people like this. I get it, this may not be as big of a deal as people are making it out to be but don’t be a moron and travel to and bring that shit back with you.
It's about double, which is a huge difference, and that's ignoring your incessant need to pretend like the flu is no big deal. A few of your posts suggest you have been following this thread for awhile before you decided to join in the fray. If that's the case, you know I agree that the overall impacts/deaths pale in comparison to the flu. I think the real issue here, as I've stated, is that people don't realize how brutal influenza is. So making a comparison to the flu doesn't really help the argument of telling people to calm down. The mass hysteria is disproportionate for sure, but this was always going to be the case once this hit the U.S. In general, you're minimizing the nature of the unknown that's been involved with this outbreak. You're treating it like we know everything about it and have known since the genesis of the outbreak. It's an absurd position to take, even if your ultimate conclusion (that we're overdoing it with the response) is in the ballpark. You're also doing a disservice to the very real issue of the U.S. being woefully unprepared for a worse bug. We're damn lucky that COVID-19 isn't worse than it is, and we need to fucking learn from our inability to respond to it.
4 is generally higher than flu, although I’ve seen sources that cite 4 as a maximum for flu too. 1 - 3 is exactly within range for flu. Again, R0 is hard to calculate and hard to get accurate cites on. Here’s a good article for anyone interested in what it means. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/605632/
At the end of last week, the mortality rate was estimated be ~20x the seasonal flu. 2% compared to 0.1%. It may well be less than 2% due to asymp. cases. But even 1% would be terrible for high-risk individuals in the US.
I'm glad you posted this for those who are only paying attention now, but we've been talking about this for over a month ITT
Why?Pokes reasons why people and medical professional are worried about CV-19: -transmits easier than the flu -lives longer outside of the body than the flu -has a long period where people show no symptoms but are contagious -has around 2-3% death rate, 20-30x higher than that of the flu (which is generally around .01-.03%) In 2018 it was estimated that 40,000,000 people got the flu and 61,000 died from it. Translate all those viral infections to CV-19 viruses and 800,000 will die every year in the US. If this thing gets a foothold, it will become a seasonal epidemic.
Why does it seem like people are dying in geographic clusters? Like how all 6 of the US deaths are from Washington state. Is it just that it’s hitting a community of old people or are there more severe versions of it?
I don’t think the flu is a joke. It’s a serious issue especially for the young and elderly. It’s actually a bigger danger to infants than covid. The question isn’t whether covid is worth worrying about, it’s whether it’s worth: -closing international travel -forcibly quarantined -shutting down entire cities -torpedoing retirement accounts And so on. Again, that 2% number isn’t accurate and has been discussed ad nauseam. I know. It’s why I find the reactions to my posts so bizarre. Everything I’ve said had been said before, ITT, by the same people freaking out at my comments.
The Banks you need to relax bro. you flipping out over Why?Pokes is spreading more misinformation than you are claiming he is