And it’s incremental to influenza. Depending on the infection rates and fatality outcomes, it’s hundreds of thousands to millions more human deaths annually from something that wasn’t even in circulation this time last year. To waive this off as nothing is absurd.
Hit a community of old people, Washington has been aggressive testing for it while others may have been lost in the background noise of flu/pneumonia/genericURTIs, PNW winters aren’t great for respiratory illness, etc...
Timing is everything...this isn't all about COVID-19 at this point. It's more about how we respond to public health crises in general now after the events of the last week. It's pretty clear that we are woefully unprepared, as suspected.
Just left the hospital on another matter. The medical professionals there seemed honesty concerned and extremely cautious about it I’ll follow their lead
I would classify many retirees on fixed incomes as “people on the margins”. This could be devastating for their continued health and well being. Shit, it might perversely force them to return to work and put them at greater risk of contracting covid. None of that applies to me personally.
They're dealing more directly with the incompetence and consequences. There's plenty of evidence that they are not receiving the appropriate support to perform their duties to the best of their abilities. That also subjects them to heightened risk of contracting an illness that has killed medical professionals. Yes, the numbers are looking good at this point for this not to be biological Armageddon, but that's of little comfort when you're knowledgable about what these things CAN do. There's also so much about this thing that we don't know yet.
Outside the purview of this thread, but perhaps there should be a better safety net for such people that doesn't depend on global supply chains that can be impacted by so many unknowns.
If the "regular flu" kills a shit load of people a year, maybe the introduction of second flu is not something eye roll over.
And a second one that most everyone admits is like a really bad version of the one that already kills tens of thousands each year.
Comparing it to a severe flu =/= waiving it off as nothing. Time will tell but those numbers appear unsupportable. Likely talking tens to low hundreds. Which is still horrifying, obviously.
Maybe there’s a good middle ground between eye-rolling and banning international travel or shutting down entire cities.
There aren't any travel bans, ftr. There is prohibited entry for foreign nationals arriving from specific affected countries, but no absolute bans (yet). The airlines have responded to the market + protecting their own employees. The market has responded to media and govt. messaging.
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Why?Pokes just wait until you see some of the social isolation measures and mass cancellations of events that are coming when this thing really takes off. I’m praying for you.
CERA week canceled. See the speakers list and you’ll see why it was canceled. https://cdn.ihsmarkit.com/www/pdf/0220/Featured-Speakers-02-21-2020-v2.pdf
That’s why I think the CDC and this administration should be more transparent with this whole thing. Everyone bitched about how China handled the whole thing and here we are a month later doing the same shit....
All those deaths were elderly individuals when the virus was spread in a facility designed for the elderly with health problems. Going to artificial inflate the death numbers for the time being.
One of the obvious problems the admin will face is that gaslighting can’t cover up deaths and ICUs being overwhelmed with critical cases. But they will still try to deflect and insist what an amazing job is being done.
A five figure global toll? Yeah you don’t get it. This just popped up in sub Saharan Africa, India, Indonesia, and next door to Haiti.
I don’t believe in imaginary spaghetti monsters but I appreciate the concern. Bet we’ve more or less seen the worst of it. There will be more non-essential and transport-related cancellations but it sounds like the Chinese are starting to return to work which is the biggest indicator when we’re talking about a global economic shutdown. You can’t sustain an unwarranted hysteria indefinitely. My biggest worry is 1a) returning to America trouble-free, and 1b) the infamous ability of the Hawaiians to make a bank-run on toilet paper at the drop of a hat.
I’m not particularly concerned about young populations in warm countries. India and Indonesia are slightly more concerning given their smoking rates and air quality issues.
Bruh the first cases are litterly just now happening in the US. This is just starting. Our only hope is that a robust containment plan coincides with the warmer weather tamping down on increased transmissions.
I think he's referring to the hysteria. At least I hope that's what he's referring to. He's very likely wrong, but at least it's a possible outcome to bet on.
That's a pretty empty statement though. Also, I think you underestimate the ability of our ignorant populace to freak out. Don't think we've reached peak yet, but it is a slim possibility. Hope you're right.
Indeed summarized it best IMO. The key is we don’t know how this transmits at this point. Just that it’s highly contagious. We also know children don’t seem to be impacted and they generally have the largest pool of distribution. Most anyone who has kids is able to see the cycle of one comes home sick and then it’s like dominos So generally the young and healthy with minor symptoms may be feel healthy and not be experiencing any sort of symptoms that are glaring red flags like you would have with the flu. Most sane people with those symptoms do not got visit elderly, because we understand not to expose them and the risk. In this case a whole young family could potentially be infected, live a normal existence and unwillingly get their parents/grandparents sick because they just don’t have that association. Obviously we will learn more but it’s going to take some time.
I think all the major events across most industries will be canceled by the end of the month, no idea how this will affect sporting events.