CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : Fuck em, should’ve gotten vaccinated

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  1. Prospector

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    WTF, not Fox. Good job ABC

    A bad statement, a horrible edit, and a monstrous claim that is now Republican 'reality'
    Oh sure, they died WITH a zeppelin crash, but that doesn't mean they died FROM a zeppelin crash - RNC.

    Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, Republicans have settled on a position that seems just a smidge incredible: There is no pandemic. Downplaying the impact of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the disease that it generates has been standard Republican operating procedure since Donald Trump insisted that cases would soon be “down to zero” and that COVID-19 would go away “like magic.” But at this point, with 860,000 dead Americans and over 5.5 million lives lost around the world, in the midst of a wave of disease sending record numbers to hospitals, pandemic denial seems like something that should be impossible.

    It’s not. Republicans have returned to the idea that people are just, you know, dying. And that COVID-19 has nothing to do with it.

    It’s another trip through irresponsibility, delusion, and jackassery that started with a badly edited interview, passed through a now deleted Texas Sen. Ted Cruz tweet, and spawned a million gloating I-told-you-so claims on Facebook. Since then other Republicans, including Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, have doubled down on the claim, and the Republican National Committee (RNC) is proceeding at warp nine into conspiracy space.

    Like so many of the claims during the last five years, this one started from a misunderstanding, then pivoted to a deliberate lie. It can be fully expected to become the accepted “truth” for Republicans moving forward. Here’s the three-step process into how “not from COVID-19, but with COVID-19” became the new Republican baseline.

    Step 1: ABC makes a criminally bad edit of an already bad interview
    To say that Rochelle Walensky’s brief term as director of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been marked by poor communication is something of an understatement. Communicating with dolphins is only slightly less frustrating.

    It’s not so much that the CDC has been wrong, but under Walensky the agency has issued unnecessary guidance that includes caveats and details almost certain to be steamrolled into a mush of confusion. For example, the idea that people who were asymptomatic but who tested positive for COVID-19 could cease self-isolation after five days if they continued to wear a mask. This was predictably turned into “CDC cuts COVID-19 quarantine to five days” by the media within 30 seconds of its issuance.

    But perhaps no single statement has done more damage the CDC’s reputation than an interview on ABC News. In that interview, Walensky was asked about the results of a new study showing that vaccines were very effective in preventing severe illness. Here’s her response as it appeared on ABC News.

    Walensky: “The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really, these are people who are unwell to begin with. And yes, really encouraging news in the context of omicron. This means not just to get your primary series, but to get your booster, and yes, we’re really encouraged by these results.”

    There were any number of reasons to be upset by this statement. For one thing, Walensky appears to be not just brushing off people with long-term illness or conditions that make them more susceptible to COVID-19, but actually gloating about how deaths are restricted to people who were “unwell to begin with.” Disability advocates—and a lot of people who suffer from issues such as diabetes and high blood pressure—were justifiably outraged.

    However, it turns out that ABC made an absolutely egregious edit. This was Walensky’s actual reply to the question about the study.

    Walensky: “You know, really important study, if I may just summarize it. A study of 1.2 million people who were vaccinated between December and October, and demonstrated that severe disease occurred in about 0.015% of the people who received their primary series. And death in 0.003% of those people. The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really, these are people who are unwell to begin with. And yes, really encouraging news in the context of omicron. This means not just to get your primary series, but to get your booster, and yes, we’re really encouraged by these results.”

    All of that went on the cutting room floor at ABC. Clearly, what Walensky was actually addressing was the results of a single study, a study that showed just how tremendously effective the vaccines really are.

    However, the complaints of disability advocates remain absolutely valid, because there was no reason for Walensky to characterize the extremely low number of deaths found in this study in the way she did. It added no value to her response. In fact, by answering in this way, Walensky greatly undercut the point that she was trying to make. That point was not “only sick people died” but “vaccines are tremendously effective.” Walensky’s response remains a masterclass in awful.

    But ABC’s editing made everything 1,000 times worse, and queued up exactly what came next.

    Step 2: Context gets shredded by the RNC
    Those watching the ABC interview might still have picked up on the fact that Walensky’s statement, no matter how mangled, was characterizing only vaccinated individuals in one study. But when those words hit social media, context went out the window. As far the internet was concerned, this was the beginning and the end of what Walensky had to say.

    Biden’s CDC Director: "The overwhelming number of death, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities." pic.twitter.com/HUDd323sPG

    — RNC Research (@RNCResearch) January 10, 2022
    Granted, that kind of sentence or even phrase-level cherry-picking has been standard RNC practice for years, but ABC really helped them out by dropping all context from Walensky’s reply. As a result, social media soon flooded with Republicans claiming that 75% of all the people who have died from COVID-19 have been people who were very unwell to begin with. That prompted, including other things, this now-deleted Cruz tweet.

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    Step 3: Double-down and carry on
    Cruz may have backed away from that tweet after the editing fingers of both the RNC and ABC were made clear, but don’t expect him to stay backed up. Since that initial post, the RNC has doubled down. And tripled down. In their latest tweet, they’re back to the language that Republicans used in the opening days of the pandemic as deaths began to pile up across the country. People didn’t die from COVID-19, says the RNC. They’re just sick people who happened to die with COVID-19.

    Rubio then took this to the next logical step with a claim that the thousands of people being hospitalized during the omicron spike aren’t being hospitalized because of COVID-19.

    Another wave of misleading & hysterical media coverage

    It isn’t “record Covid hospitalizations” when many of those patients are in the hospital for reasons unrelated to Covid https://t.co/1Bjmf0Vwbe

    — Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 11, 2022
    Except that as the article makes clear, there are 145,982 people hospitalized in U.S. from COVID-19. Not from “reasons unrelated to COVID.” There’s absolutely nothing in the article cited, or in any other source, to back up Rubio’s statement.

    It doesn’t matter, because the Republican Party has only one reaction to being found wrong on any point: tactical extremism. Rather than admit the claims about people dying from COVID-19 are the results of a series of bad, out of context edits, expect Republicans to harden on this position as a baseline. Expect renewed claims that the CDC is greatly exaggerating the threat of COVID-19, as well as more of those videos where people invade their local hospital to “prove” that there’s no wave of COVID-19 patients.

    Expect more resistance to vaccination. Expect more denial of reason. Expect more deaths.

    All brought to you by the modern Republican Party, the best friend a virus ever had.
     
  2. pperc

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    i fucking hate everyone
     
  3. AptosDuck

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    we know
     
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  4. BUstang

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    Four rapid tests later I am still negative. But I continue to feel more and more sick. Got body aches and chills today along with a pretty sore throat.
     
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  5. Prospector

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  6. Illinihockey

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    My kid got a positive saliva test at school. Took him to get a brain swab and that came back negative. Don’t know what to think
     
  7. El Tiburon

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    Flu?
     
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  8. BUstang

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    Various swab tests available at my wife's pharamcy.
     
  9. Illinihockey

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    strep?
     
  10. ned's head

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    Well, peep the chyron
     
  11. Roy Kent

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    My wife could never get a positive rapid test. Popped on PCR tho.
     
  12. AbeFroman

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    How TF is this a gotcha? America is unhealthy. Avoiding getting infected is a faster and easier way to mitigate a high death toll than waiting around for people to move their fat asses and eat less.

    "How come we never focus on health"

    We have entire government departments that have been educating the public on healthy habits for decades, not to mention the giant wellness industry.

    And Ted Cruz? I saw that doughy fuck try to play basketball. It will be a cold day in hell before that rotund grease ball lectures me on healthy living.
     
  13. pperc

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    it's that it was totally out of context. it only applies to those vaccinated, not those unvaccinated
     
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    Effective against early variants. Hopefully it’s still true.
     
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  16. Prospector

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  17. orangebl00d

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    good stuff in the replies

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    Alright so I hadn't smoked for like 5-6 days before coming down with it. For most of the last decade I've been a daily smoker. Story checks out
     
  19. beerleagueman

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    May-July 2021 was a wonderful time of Hope
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    It’s still real to me damnit
     
  21. bro

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    what about my sweet sweet edibles
     
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  22. Daniel Ocean

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    I stated before my Ma has it. Got it from my sister. I blamed my sister but she got it at work so it hard to blame her. Ny sister and dad are over it. My Ma still having symptoms. She is sick. Tired says her bones hurt and doesn’t feel like doing anything. She is waiting to see what meds or anything the Doctor’s give her. Fuck anyone who says this isn’t anything. My Ma is literally the best kindest person I know. She has done everything right. She is one of the few people on earth who never judged me growing up.
     
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  23. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    The reason people are fat and unhealthy is definitely that they haven't been preached to enough
     
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    To be fair the food pyramid most Americans grew up with was like "MAKE SURE YOU EAT ALL YOUR BREAD AN PASTA!!"
     
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  25. Can I Spliff it

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  26. pperc

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    This was probably the single biggest thing to drive obesity in the US. Simple carbs and sugar.
     
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  27. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    (Was being sarcastic with that)
    One good example of countless ones that American society has engineered this population to be exactly what it is.

    I'd recommend people do a little reading about the profound neuroendocrine drivers of appetite/satiety. That shit gets programmed early (even before birth, to a degree) in the reptile part of the human brain. Interesting stuff that's unfortunately only really come to light in the last 20 years or so. Unfortunately well after we (general public and physicians alike) decided to spend decades making obese people feel like failures
     
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    I don't remember the details but in the 1950s didn't "big sugar" buy some scientists to demonize salt or something?
     
  29. a.tramp

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    both you know and I know that I have no fucking clue what this means, Ned.
     
  30. ned's head

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    The banner at the bottom. It's impossible for trump to say something reasonable without also saying something fucking stupid

     
  31. a.tramp

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    Gotcha.
     
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    New Zero Covid utopian vision
     
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  33. Tobias

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    both kids positive on rapid. really thrilled with my mother in law right now.
     
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  34. Prospector

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    I don't like many people, this sounds fantastic

    Hope you pop off at her everytime she's around going forward.
    Hope kids get well soon
     
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  35. Tobias

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    thanks man both are doing fine and not really in a ton of discomfort.

    she is the most performatively worried about covid person i know. she 100% knew what it was but deliberately didn’t get them tested so she could have plausible deniability about sending them back home

    so now either myself or my wife has to care for both of them alone while the other locks away in a room. and figure out childcare and work schedules next week since it’s 10 days for them to return to daycare now.
     
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  36. pperc

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    Still doing 10 days? Woof
     
  37. Tobias

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    i think so will call daycare tomorrow. since i tested negative and have work to do for a presentation tomorrow, my wife is staying home tomorrow and taking them tonight since one of us will be sacrificed

    time for a slumber party in the guest room lol
     
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  38. orangebl00d

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    well with much surprise to pretty much no one, found out this morning there are at least 7 positives and at least 5 others continuing to monitor, trying to schedule test, or flat out not getting tested. 3 of the 7 confirmed so far I would probably have spent majority of two days with. thank god I didn't go to that Petri dish
     
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  39. fish

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    I'll say it...I understand your anger, but they are your kids, not hers. Maybe she would rather you be the one responsible for their care?

    I certainly hope all involved cycle through the virus with as little suffering as possible.
     
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  40. Tobias

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    it was her idea to take them after we had a plan that didn’t involve that. she deliberately didn’t take them to urgent care for 2 days (despite as we learned tonight one of them having an ear infection) to get tested because it would give her plausible deniability to pass them back off.

    they’re retired and we are not. so they decided to get more people sick while also fucking up multiple work schedules. it has nothing to do with wanting them in our care it’s all them being selfish and clueless
     
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  41. Can I Spliff it

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    Your inlaws suck dude
     
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  42. pperc

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    Welcome to grandparents prerogative
     
  43. prerecordedlive

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    I hope fat Ron dies of this shit soon. Real fed up with Florida’s nonchalant approach to a deadly illness. My wife’s income depends on her being healthy enough to do home health for kids. It was painful enough losing a week of income because she was sick but now her entire caseload is canceling because her families are all sick. Couple it with dogshit Medicaid rates in Florida and we very much don’t have a stew going.
     
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-wife-lady-french-fries-coming-cafeteria.html
     
  45. Tobias

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    yeah they insisted over and over it wasnt covid even tho we knew there was a chance and it wouldnt have cost them a thing to go get one tested. they obviously knew it was and knew if it was a positive test they wouldnt have been able with a straight face to bring them back. so they just sat on it until it inconvenienced them
     
  46. aisle seven

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    Uh, so where do we go after Omicron? :ohdear:
     
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  49. WhiskeyDelta

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    They skipped Nu because they didn’t want people going Nu/New Variant and skipped Xi because of China’s leader
     
  50. Hoss Bonaventure

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    There is no way half of America wouldn’t have understood any of that. They think omicron is a made up word to make the variant seem like a villain in a Marvel movie