CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : Here Come the Clock Truthers

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  1. CaneKnight

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    No no CNN, NBC etc will do fucking puff pieces on him. Remember Florida while cooking the books had the third highest death rate and he was universally praised by these so called "left wing" news outlets
     
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  2. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Did you actually get tested and test positive btw? I'm assuming yes and that you didn't catch some other virus.
     
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  3. Sub-Zero

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    He's already saying this was expected and just "seasonal". He's rewriting the thing as just a new normal, seasonal disease. Which is consistent with the chuds in this state who just have been doing the whole "99% survival rate" this entire time.
     
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  4. beerleagueman

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    they helped elevate him as a contender for potus and wouldn’t even tell the whole story w context (D Mayors , natural winter weather advantage, low density )
     
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  5. BellottiBold

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    The GOP has been encouraging the denial of science and villifying expertise for decades.
     
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  6. Sub-Zero

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    and no one is following up on his stunts being thrown back in his face, generally.

    Cruise Lines/CDC guidelines reversed
    The whole social media law laughed at
    Cruise lines themselves pissed at the vaccine passport stunt
    I'm sure there's others

    But if sports betting gets passed then hooo boy he's going to be treated like a fucking hero
     
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  7. IV

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    agreed but they got over a hump with Trump
     
  8. prerecordedlive

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    Yes and yes.

    Do I think the vaccine kept me from being hospitalized? Hard to say but probably not. Joints aside, I am the picture of health at 32. Long been of the mindset that contracting Covid would be a hell of a way to find out about some other underlying health issue that could make me a higher risk case.

    I’m pretty miserable today trying to hammer out a final exam paper between bouts of shitting my brains out and trying to keep my head from throbbing but knowing some alternative scenarios, I feel pretty fortunate by comparison.

    I think the odds of contracting a variant are exponentially higher than what our experts are speculating so I would implore everyone to just get jabbed if they haven’t already. It might save your ass from being in the ICU or compromising someone you love.
     
  9. prerecordedlive

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    One of the weirder symptoms I’ve had is the muscle and joint aches during this. It’s been like a montage of every sports injury I’ve ever had with every location having some dull pain simultaneously. Broken bones, sprains, muscle tears… they all manifested for about 36 hours. Hard pass on feeling that shit again.
     
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  10. Chipper>Jeter

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    I have no science to back this but I’m convinced Covid targets that kind of stuff. I have IBS and my guts were wrecked. My knees and back also hurt a lot and I had previous issues there too. My wife gets migraines and said she suffered the worst headaches she has ever had when she had Covid.
     
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  11. PeterGriffin

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    Jeez, 83% of sequenced cases in the US were Delta this week? Fucking rough.
     
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  12. Henry Blake

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    https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/20...sequenced-covid-19-cases-in-the-u-s-cdc-says/
     
  13. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    That's not surprising, not long after the new year the majority of the cases quickly came from the UK strain.
     
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  14. Tobias

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    i want the booster right now. give me two or three tbh
     
  15. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    If shit is still bad in terms of so many people unvaccinated come late November (and this conference in Vegas isn't cancelled) I'm getting a booster if it's available even if I have to leave my study.
     
  16. One Two

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    As a double tapped Pfizer guy I’d like a moderna booster. I want to be the 5G of shedding radioactive mRNA
     
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  17. Henry Blake

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    Feel like the CDC needs to get out in front of this and start offering boosters now to save lives in the fall. idk
     
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  18. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    I'm inclined to agree with them, at least as of now, that it doesn't seem necessary except maybe for the elderly and the immunocompromised. If we have some ultra-mega-variant arise before the end of the year that is breaking through at a huge clip then there's no way we won't have a booster option.
     
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  19. Henry Blake

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    Probably right. At least it sounds like they have some concrete data markers in mind in case boosters are needed.
     
  20. One Two

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    How common is it for adults to get hand foot mouth disease? Just found out a friend’s baby I was unsolicitedly handed over the weekend has it and now I get to play “allergies, hangover, hand foot and mouth, or Covid?”
     
  21. Can I Spliff it

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    Your study will want to keep you regardless as a point of comparison. Should the situation arise, let them know
     
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  22. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    I've no idea what they're doing, but what I imagine may happen is that half the phase III participants will get a booster and half won't. If that's the case then I may need to decide whether I want to leave the study or not. Regardless I don't see anyone again until early September, which would be a year after my first shot.
     
  23. infected donkey

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    Pretty common, some friends got it from their kid, said they were just tired mainly from it for 24-36 hours or so. Said they were super mild symptoms compared to the kids.
     
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  24. Henry Blake

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  25. Arliden

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    Similar data:

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    Nice to see hospitalizations and deaths decoupling from cases. Keep the reopening going.
     
  26. theriner69er

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    Because of all the bickering we never get to hear Fauci explain why exactly what was going on in the Wuhan lab was not gain of function research.

    Paul: You are taking an animal virus and making it more transmissible to humans, and that's not gain of function research?
    Fauci: That is correct.

    Paul: They took animal viruses that only occur in animals and they increased their transmissibility to humans. How you can say that's not gain of function....
    Fauci: It's not.

    Can anyone explain?
     
  27. pperc

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    Do you live in the UK?
     
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  28. JacobPalmer

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    Moderna was asking everyone in the experiential group if they wanted to get the booster. Everyone who signed up to be in the booster trial did get the booster, no placebo.
     
  29. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Were you in the Phase III part of the trial or something earlier? What I'm really curious about is how the boosters Pfizer and Moderna are making that was supposed to target the South African variant will hold up against Delta vs. a booster with just the original sequence.
     
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  30. JacobPalmer

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    Phase 3. They had like 350 people in the booster trial and that was their goal, not sure if they just stopped asking people to participate once they had 350 people commit.
     
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    #82236 Can I Spliff it, Jul 20, 2021 at 7:32 PM
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  33. prerecordedlive

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    I would walk a mile through broken glass to punch this bitch in the mouth.
     
  34. CaneKnight

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    If I’m walking a mile through broken glass the solution to that problem would need to be a more extreme than giving her a fat lip
     
  35. beerleagueman

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  36. Henry Blake

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    NYTimes story re J&J and Delta
    By Apoorva Mandavilli

    July 20, 2021Updated 5:20 p.m. ET
    The coronavirus vaccine made by Johnson & Johnson is much less effective against the Delta and Lambda variants than against the original virus, according to a new study posted online on Tuesday.

    Although troubling, the findings result from experiments conducted with blood samples in a laboratory, and may not reflect the vaccine’s performance in the real world. But the conclusions add to evidence that the 13 million people inoculated with the J.&J. vaccine may need to receive a second dose — ideally of one of the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna, the authors said.

    The conclusions are at odds with those from smaller studies published by Johnson & Johnson earlier this month suggesting that a single dose of the vaccine is effective against the variant even eight months after inoculation.

    The new study has not yet been peer reviewed nor published in a scientific journal. But it is consistent with observations that a single dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine — which has a similar architecture to the J.&J. vaccine — shows only about 33 percent efficacy against symptomatic disease caused by the Delta variant.


    Delta may cause more breakthrough infections than earlier forms of the virus, but more than 99 percent of the hospitalizations and deaths are occurring among unvaccinated people. Rates of immunization in the country have stalled, with just under 60 percent of adults fully protected against the virus.

    Several studies have suggested that the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna will maintain their efficacy against the coronavirus, including all variants identified so far. One recent study showed, for example, that the vaccines trigger a persistent immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus for years.


    But evidence on the J.&J. vaccine has been limited, because it was rolled out later than the mRNA vaccines. Most studies of effectiveness of the coronavirus vaccines were conducted at medical centers and hospitals that relied on samples from staff members who received the mRNA vaccines.

    The J.&J. vaccine has also been dogged by reports of blood clots and a rare neurological syndrome, as well as problems with contamination at a manufacturing plant in Baltimore.

    Small studies published by researchers affiliated with J.&J. suggested that the vaccine was only slightly less effective against the Delta variant than against the original virus, and that antibodies stimulated by the vaccine grew in strength over eight months.

    Dr. Landau’s team would probably have seen a similar increase in the vaccine’s potency if they had looked at the data over time, said Dr. Dan Barouch, a virologist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. The data on the J.&J. vaccine’s strength against the Delta variant at Day 29 is not much different from those reported in his own study, Dr. Barouch said.

    “Fundamentally I don’t see that there’s any discordance,” he said. “The question is that of kinetics, it’s not just magnitude, because immune responses are not static over time.” The new study also did not consider other components of immune defense, he added.

    Dr. Landau and his colleagues looked at blood samples taken from 17 people who had been immunized with two doses of an mRNA vaccine and 10 people with one dose of the J.&J. vaccine.

    The J.&J. vaccine started out with a lower efficacy than the mRNA vaccines and showed a bigger drop in efficacy against the Delta and Lambda variants. “The lower baseline means that what’s left to counter Delta is very weak,” Dr. Moore said. “That is a substantial concern.”

    Very few vaccines are given as a single dose, because the second dose is needed to amp up antibody levels, noted Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University. People who were inoculated with the J.&J. vaccine “are relying on that primary response to maintain high levels of antibodies, which is difficult, especially against the variants,” she said.

    Boosting immunity with a second dose should raise the antibody levels high enough to counter the variants, she said.

    Turning to an mRNA vaccine for the second shot, rather than another J.&J. shot, may be better: Several studies have shown that combining one dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine with a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines kicks up the immune response more effectively than two doses of AstraZeneca.

    The Food and Drug Administration has said “Americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time,” and the agency is unlikely to change its recommendations based on laboratory studies. But the new data should prompt the F.D.A. to revisit its recommendations, Dr. Landau said: “I hope that they read our paper and think about it.”
     
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  37. Can I Spliff it

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    Good for reinstating masks
     
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  39. IV

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    Also a plug for supplements :roll:
     
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  40. Tarpon Nole

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    This JNJ stuff has been talked about before. If the FDA or CDC comes out and recommends it (I really hope they don't) I will go get an mRNA one. But idk about mixing vaccines on your own

    Also, the NYT literally posted a story very recently about how well the J&J one held up. Notice the large yellow box at the top of the story.

    Lastly, definitely not an expert here, but wasn't Beta the one that would have broke through more than Delta? If it held up to that one, it should hold up here
     
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  41. prerecordedlive

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    Only good can come from conservative media personalities succumbing to this thing. Maybe we lose a few along the way and that’s less shitheads spreading their platform of stupidity. Throw on the bonus if that’s what finally wakes up their base.
     
  42. clemsontyger04

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    What symptoms differ from the original strand to this delta variant?
     
  43. Gunners

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    A pandemic among the unvaccinated is what I live for, just feel for the doctors.

    We are a depressing country
     
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  44. Jack Bauer

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    Your employer sounds exactly like my employer. Masks are optional if we’re vaccinated. Our vaccine verification is just a voluntary yes/no question in our HR software.
     
  45. Goose

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    Ours we have to show proof of vaccination. Green lanyard (or hard hat sticker if on job site). Hybrid model until full time in September. Seems reasonable as long as delta gets lassoed in
     
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