CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : One year and 400,000 lives later

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  1. CaneKnight

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    If something happens to Whitmer, than a good patriot should make sure the same thing happens to Atlas
     
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  2. El Tiburon

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    Yeah all of it is bullshit. You have lots of outfits who got started on the project at or near the same time and they have all been saying for months that they felt like a vaccine could be developed near the end of the year. There really wasn’t anything exotic about it other than the dumbass Trumpers who wanted the vaccine to be announced before the election so he could take all the credit.
     
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  5. THF

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    I thought this was a very good article around the risks of getting "re-infected" that while it does happen, its normally a very rare event.

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/10/14/immunity-and-re-infection

     
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  6. pperc

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  7. WhiskeyDelta

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    Given th possibility of reinfection are we looking at booster shots for this thing forever or just an annual like the flu?
     
  8. Josey Wales

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    Pretty bad outlook. Can’t convince some idiots it isn’t the flu now. Hopefully therapeutics just get all the more effective.
     
  9. THF

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    I think the re-infection aspect is going to be part of the study that is being done by these pharmaceutical companies. They really don’t know how long protection will last.

    I posted an article in the other Covid thread which talks about re-infections and how they have been rare so far. There is possibility that the vaccine has a longer time period of effectiveness, maybe closer to something like a tetanus shot, but it’s really unknown at this time.

    There has been talk of an annual booster shot but I don’t think that has been decided yet.

    Other, smarter posters, may be able to provide some clarity I don’t have access to.
     
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  10. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    An epidemiologist was on 1A on NPR last week after Pfizer released their preliminary efficacy results. While he cautioned that there is nothing known long-term about the vaccine, he speculated it could be effective from six months up to a year.
     
  11. Josey Wales

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    Some libertarian somewhere: how dare the federal govt have standards for food.

    the destroyed world in 2020: can China please outlaw wet markets
     
  12. THF

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    I assume the participants will stay in the trial for several years to evaluate when those vaccinated start to become re-infected; if they do. I am not sure if there is a possibility to test use the newest T Cell test to confirm immunity going forward or if they will wait to see when or if people do test positive for the virus.

    I assume there will be some sort of ability to test this with primates as well to get some sense of when the immunity starts to disappear.
     
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  13. Henry Blake

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    It's one thing to dodge the flu each year b/c of 50% adherence, but widespread resistance to covid vaccx would blow chunks.
     
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  14. pperc

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    Short answer: we don't know
    Medium answer: if it's once a year with the flu shot, i think that's a win. i think more would end up getting flu shot because of it.
     
  15. pperc

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    those T-cell tests aren't really scalable IMO. RUO (research use only)
     
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  16. Redav

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    I personally don't think the once a year booster is a big deal. I get a flu shot every year anyway and I assume it will be lumped in with it
     
  17. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Yes, even if us in the Moderna trial get unblinded we still stay in for two years unless we decide to leave the study.
     
  18. Jean-Ralphio

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    the internet has poisoned so many minds its legit insane. Sure a lot of them were dumb to begin with but this is another pandemic pretty much. People legit believe they can make their mind up about everything. The fact that someone has spent their lives devoted to a field or a subject means nothing any more its fucking wild.

    We havent really delt with it so much here but it happens here more and more too, in a very educated country. The mink mutating the virus is the best example of full on batshit here.

    Cliffs: The government are like “well this might lead to the vaccines becoming less effective we’ll kill all the minks which means that breeding mink for fur will not be possible again”

    This has lead to people going fucking nuts online. most of the people at work even buying into it and i want to punch them.

    What makes them so mad?

    The poor animals getting killed (animals who live in tiny cages and gets skinned and killed for their fur)
    Its an insane blow to the economy. those poor farmers are losing what they built (not a single mink farmer has turned a profit here in more than 3 years. its a total of 6000 jobs that makes up like 0.5% of the economy at most. and lets say we get “covid 20” and have to start over, i wonder how that will impact the economy)
    Well it might not have any impact on the vaccines we need proof first (well then its probably too late you fucking morons. wanna take that chance?)

    /rant
     
  19. Houndster

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    Fiancée and all the people we were with last weekend tested positive and are showing symptoms. I tested negative and have no symptoms.

    Is there a better chance that I have a longer incubation period or that I had an asymptomatic case beforehand and currently have antibodies?
     
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  20. SD_Irish

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    Hopefully you're not intubated.

    Incubation can vary though, so that's something to watch.
     
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  21. Champ

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    Yeah, it’s what’s allowed the country to remain somewhat afloat. We have Northern Trumpers too, but they’ve been so marginalized that for the most part, no matter the political allegiance, everyone wants the citizens, the economy and the health system to survive. It’s just a matter of how to do it.
     
  22. AbeFroman

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    Here us one of my hangups: shutting things down in any sector badly harms the economy and small businesses, yes. Everything going back to the way it was prior to March of last year (re: closing potential superspreader activities and masking) causes hospitals to be overwhelmed and many more people to die.

    Would the nationwide panic and depression created by the realities of the second route cause an equitable economic downturn, with the added bonus of even more preventable deaths?

    It seems like advocates of a policy of ignoring the virus seem to think the consequences will be limited to increased loss of life from the disease itself but the economy will be untouched. I don't buy that.
     
  23. THF

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    The Sweden example backs up your assumption. The evidence there says that even without mandated restrictions, the population voluntarily restricted their travel and behavior. It wasn’t unanimous but a large percentage adapted their behavior. The question is how much damage can the careless minority create.
     
  24. Jean-Ralphio

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    Uh sweden just decided on pretty serious restrictions.
     
  25. Henry Blake

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  26. Champ

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    Yeah, their Covid cases/deaths are worse off than their neighboring countries, but is their economy really in better shape?
     
  27. Hoss Bonaventure

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    The careless minority there is unfortunately the majority here in a lot of areas, hence why covid is buttfucking our brains out.
     
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  28. Jean-Ralphio

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    Its not. Granted the Danish economy is a bigger one than the swedish when adjusted but the swedish economy is worse off.
     
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  29. AbeFroman

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    I thought I saw it in here but does anyone have that research study that analyzed travel habits by country and activity by utilizing cell phone activity?

    I'd greatly appreciate a link if someone has it.
     
  30. slogan119

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    Just from the articles that Pfizer required negative temps to maintain stability in transport. Unless I misread something.
     
  31. slogan119

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    I could be mistaken but won’t the calc of how often a shot is needed be a function of efficacy, herd adoption, and lemgth of antibody production, knowing that factors 1 & 3 are semi-related?
     
  32. pperc

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    it's a formulation thing at the moment. give it a few months - they'll be similar.
     
  33. pperc

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    kind of.... it's also a function of viral antigen drift and B-cell and T-cell memory cell generated by the vaccine
     
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  34. slogan119

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    100% what I meant by efficacy.

    100%.

    No doubt.
     
  35. PeterGriffin

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  36. indeed

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    Rounding that turn

     
  37. Redav

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    Putting up 150k in cases on a Monday seems really bad.
     
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  38. bertwing

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    Ehh we can do better than that
     
  39. Henry Blake

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    ~37,000 hospitalized on Oct. 16. Now 73,000. Terrible.
     
  40. LKRFN

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    So obviously Thanksgiving is going to cause the absolute worst numbers but realistically, what do we think we’re looking at?
     
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    we’ve got atleast a doubling left in daily cases
     
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  42. Redav

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    Thanksgiving and then Christmas and then New Years... I can't even imagine where this ends up
     
  43. THF

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    Who knows, it could be a big event or it could be mitigated due to the massive campaign against family getting together.

    The challenge is we already have exploding growth so thats gonna be a huge factor. Luckily health care worker have gotten better at treating this, but it could get really bad in areas, like what’s happening in El Paso right now.
     
  44. shaolin5

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  45. slogan119

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    IDK if true or boomer FB BS, but my mom said they expect this to be the busiest travel season ever since people haven’t seen their families much this year.
     
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  47. The Banks

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    Scott Atlas needs to be in prison.
     
  48. Henry Blake

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