Some of the pessimism in here is just ridiculous. It's as if some people are rooting for this to last another year just so they come in here and say I told you so. Just uninformed miserable people.
I am resisting pessimism because I really would like to travel again the second half of the year, even just domestically. But the rollout has been ass-a-roni up to this point. Biden needs to get with the pokey pokey and stimmy stimmy, let’s go.
Son’s college dorm got sent home for two weeks, someone got it and they shut the whole thing down. Can’t wait till this is over and we can get back to normal
I also work for a company that was a site on the J&J vaccine study. Obviously don't know anything about their manufacturing, but the vaccine is definitely getting approved. With it being a single dose with no crazy temperature requirements it will become the most in demand vaccine pretty much as soon as it's approved. Especially for the general public as the worry is some dumb people will not come back for their second dose if they have any side affects. With J&J and AZ getting approved in the next month or two all current distribution projections should be improved upon. The country wide rollout certainly has had it's issues but we're still what 3rd or 4th best in the world right now at getting vaccine to the people. That is only going to improve with more vaccines coming available and smarter people now in charge.
C'mon dude, I hope this is sarcasm. You sound like one of the chud posters back in April. There are a lot of people rightfully skeptical how quickly we can get back to a sort of normal given how badly we've failed to contain this, regardless of whoever is in the Whitehouse.
sorry you babies but i will just root for the virus even harder because i love having relatives get sick and not being able to do fun stuff
The anti-vaccine sentiment in Germany and especially France is absolutely wild. A good bit worse than us
there are about 208 million adults in America, and about 18 million have already been vaccinated before today. that means there are roughly 190 million adults who have not been vaccinated. we are giving about one million shots per day, at the current rate, without new vaccine approvals. let's assume that 25% of the population (likely higher) doesn't want to take the vaccine. that means we have 133 million adults to vaccinate. at the current rate, even if the new administration doesn't get this thing in gear, even if J&J and AZ fail their trials, we *could* vaccinate every adult who wants one by fall. vaccination opt outs will also likely rise as infections slow down because people think they don't need it. there's lots to piss and moan about and criticize, but any adult who thinks they won't be able to get the vaccine this year is extremely pessimistic.
In Florida as of last Sunday we had over 900,000 first doses and we already had between 40,000 and 45,000 people who have failed to show up for their scheduled second appointment. That’s a pretty poor percentage considering the fact that most people who got it that early are either health care workers or elderly folks who had to put in a good amount of effort to be some of the earliest to be vaccinated. fear of people not bothering to get the second shot is real. We need to create social restrictions on those who don’t get the shot once it’s available to everyone. Enough restrictions to make the average person who isn’t scared of Covid and doesn’t give a fuck about others get it in order to have access to certain parts of society. Could be a requirement for sporting events/concerts. All travel. More than that but things like that to basically force people to get it without truly forcing people to get it
I think everyone who wants a vaccine will have one by summer. I wish it were sooner and feel like more could have been done but I think that’s realistic given where we’re at today. My short term concern is getting it myself and making sure people who really want it and/or need it can get it. my bigger, longer term concern is that not enough people get it. These vaccines are not 100%. If we only get 50% vaccinated, it will help but might not do enough. We also need to figure out how long the vaccine lasts and how we will vaccinate everyone the next go around.
there's enough immunity from infection in the community that 50% would be more than enough for herd immunity in the short term. covid is likely to become an endemic, we just need to know how long immunity from the vaccine lasts so that smart people can get their vaccine in that interval. while continuing to update the vaccines against new variants if needed.
This is definitely the case. My wife got the vaccine yesterday in Palm Beach County and said it was a seemless experience. Others I have talked to who got it a few weeks ago talked about waiting 6 hours to get the vaccine and it was a clusterfuck. I know in Broward county things have gotten a lot more organized as kinks are worked out.
We're all trying to decide if we're going to Vegas this year for the tourny. Late March may be a bit optomistic, but it's a guys trip tradition that I think will fade away if we don't do it this year.
Future mother in law had to deal with 17-18 busy signals before they could get a hold of someone and get an appointment for her 90 y/o mother to get a vaccine shot. Shouldn’t be this hard and time consuming.
she was released earlier this week. my aunt is a nurse so she is staying at her house with her to keep an eye on her vitals. she is off oxygen and breathing on her own just gotta get her energy up but sounds like she is going to come through this thing
They give you a vaccine card that they say to, "treat as if it's your passport" after your first shot. They should give you a partial so people want to come back and get the actual vaccine card. Many Americans need to be incentivized to do the right thing. Small changes to gamify the system will help get more people vaccinated.
I looked up the number yesterday and the adult population is closer to 255 million than 208 million, but your point is still well taken because I'm guessing at best we get 75% of adults vaccinated. My MIL didn't get any card after her first shot, she'll get her second in another week so I'll be curious if they give her anything at all.
So the practice I work at is administering vaccines but we don’t schedule it. We have to give out a phone # to anyone interested and they have to call that to get scheduled. People keep coming in saying that whenever they call the # if takes them directly to voicemail and says the voicemail is full and hangs up.
My parents are pharmacists and are now officially vaccinated, I feel fortunate that the older people I most care about are now safer. I have some MAGA relatives on my dad's side, and one Q-leaning aunt in particular (who can kick rocks) that seem to be questioning if not outright anti-vaxxers at this point. If nothing else, it's a great excuse to not have to see them at all this year either.
Concern for not enough people getting the vaccine is legit. Claiming someone that wants the vaccine won't be able to get it until next year is just wrong and dumb. Those people are the ones who are "chuds." It's only Jan 22nd and we already have two vaccines approved. Considering this started less then a year ago that is a ridiculously huge accomplishment. In the next 4-6 weeks we'll likely have two more approved. The vaccines will be available to those who want them in the spring and summer. Now the gov't and pharma companies need to do a much better job of marketing vaccine safety/effectiveness to the general public. If you haven't gotten a vaccine by the fall that's because you chose not to get it.
remember that even 1 shot is 50% effective. this is still helpful overall so. It's all just needs to be built into the public health modeling appropriately
Sure, I agree that people thinking we'll have to wait until winter or next year before they can get vaccinated since they aren't high priority are definitely being pessimistic. However, I was responding to That's the same kind of language a bunch of posters were using in April because a lot of us were realizing we were going to be dealing with this in a severe way (in the US at least) for the rest of the year.
There any concerns over mutations against a less effective vaccine or is that generally a bacteria/antibiotic thing?
Because I read a couple people in here say fall or even 2022 is when we can expect the general public to get the vaccine. Working in the industry it just pissed me off knowing how much work has gone on during the last 10+ months. I honestly want to drop kick anyone that doesn't want to get the vaccine, including some of my relatives.
Question that I doubt anyone can answer : I had my first Moderna vaccine shot on 1/15/21, what if on 02/12/21 (because of a lack of a Federal plan up to this point) there are no shots available for me to get my second dose? Do I just take it when I can get it later?
All good. I think they are just reacting to all the time we had to plan, and then no plans being ready when approvals happened. I expect AZ and J&J approvals, and then relatively good access to vaccine of some kind by mid-year for anyone who wants one.
Fall is very much what's expected for regular people among local health officials. That's not an indictment of how hard anyone is working (other than the lack of guidance/assistance from the Trump administration) but rather an acknowledgment of distribution issues and overall production numbers. Way too much US-centric talk when it comes to ____ says they'll have ___ doses available by _____ when we've absolutely fallen behind schedule every. step. of. the. way. When we actually see us get ahead of schedule, then maybe I'll think that the average person will get the vaccine before fall. This isn't even taking into account that the US is already getting more than its fair share of doses, tbqh.
I think most are cautiously optimistic about the summer timeline. $P1 seems to be the only one saying fall/2022, but I’m also too lazy to go back and read the last few pages to see who else is saying that.