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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by shaolin5, Jan 20, 2020.
It really all falls down if people aren't honest. Sorry you had to go through this.
So what % is the threshold?
Where are economies currently “closed down“?
It's tight we have people who don't care if people die to save the economy
sigh. the hubris goes away when you get out of your 20s. Promise.
No need to engage with someone who misrepresented the total annual US deaths by a factor of about 10.
After clicking this link and doing even the most basic of questioning what you read somewhere on the internet or had your dad tell you when he yelled down into their basement, can you at least admit that it’s 2.8M who die per year in the US and not 20M?
Kc covid drs from KU med said that school reopening impact wouldn’t be known for 6-8 weeks.
we just reopened elementary school and there are 3x the kid and staff positive/in quarantine after one week, compared to the previous. I assume that will grow exponentially when high school and middle school go back in another week.
our community is in an Orange zone. 14 days new cases about 240 per 100k. %pos was over 11 but they changed the data and now it’s 6.3ish.
Cancer is a major cause of death per year in the US. Now imagine cancer is contagious and people go - well, I don’t care if you get cancer, I’m not going to do anything about it. And the economy is more important so die of cancer see if I care.
People already do this by not getting the HPV vaccine but I digress
Yeah I can’t quite understand the disconnect but I can’t think of an event in the entire history of the us where this many people died in a year (small pox maybe) on top of that if we made better choices we could’ve cut that number severely (and still can be for future deaths). And I still hear this is just another flu, it’s unreal
Even “another flu” on top of the flu we already have is bad!
check my math on what? Less than 3 million people die per year in the us. 20 million? That would kill the entire us every 18 years it doesn’t even make sense
Check your math the man says unironically
No it makes complete sense that an entire Australia worth of U.S. population dies every year
I’m fascinated to hear what his source was on that. Facebook lunatic post is the leader in the clubhouse.
Simply wearing a mask would make a huge difference. I think we're only at 50% adherence currently. Tens of thousands of ppl could be saved in the next several months, but we're too foolish and selfish as a nation.
H1n1 killed more people than covid
More people die from lighting strikes every year than Covid.
people catching these hands die more every year than covid
I’m really mad that I can’t go to Applebee’s and only 200k died. Completely not worth it. Applebees should be required to be open unless 20m die
Swine flu was the real pandemic
Well, my grandmother was refusing to go to the hospital and has been sick for over a week so we had to call the police to do a wellness check on her and that finally did the trick. She’s been admitted, but also had to take my mom to the ER as well, since she was exhibiting COVID symptoms. My grandmother’s neighbor is also sick and closing in on 100. I was sick as all hell a few weeks back and am just now getting over a cough. Really hoping for the best here.
Florida doesn’t care anymore. All stadiums are a full go now. Dan Mullen said he wants 90,000 in the swamp next weekend. Glad I voted by mail.
Man it's bad, I went to Celery (it's pretty much all outdoor) in Sanford to grab a beer for my buddies birthday. The amount of people there made me uncomfortable. I had a drink and left because they wanted to go to an indoor bar..... People just don't care anymore. The amount of people in downtown Sanford in general made me uncomfortable. If Florida is going to just straight up stop reporting I guess I'll just quarantine myself moving forward. Sucks living in a state where the government is ACTIVELY trying to kill everyone.
Guess I'm going to just stay home, save money, and get into good shape
These god damn crowds with no masks this Saturday has my anxiety on full blast mother fuck this country.
Maybe if our governor wasn’t a Trump lackey we could’ve avoided that first spike.
Almost every peer who’s had Covid got it from their elementary aged kid.
I have no way of quantifying it, but the idea that it hasn’t significantly added to the spread seems unlikely.
Yeah, it’s a tough situation. You want kids in school for as long as possible, but you either need 0 case or you need to shut off almost everything else in order for it to work.
I’m still confused as to why there’s been Seemingly no effort to teach outside
Because outside kills more than Covid...
Our virtual school option has been ok. It’s hard because half the kids are in person and half are online and they share the same teacher for some reason.
What I’d love to see more research around is how in-person populations are correlated or not correlated, not just superficial “are kids catching it at school?”
The economist author points to Florida as not having a rise in cases due to school, and our kids classes are 1/3 and 1/2 full respectively due to hybrid options.
Should any of us expect 1/2 full classes to be a point of concern? Wasn’t the hybrid option specifically supposed to reduce in person populations to the point of reducing spread?
Where are the adjusted numbers? What happens when every school is 100% capacity and social distancing is no longer possible?
So I had a coworker come into decent contact with someone on Friday afternoon. Saturday that person tests positive for Covid. Realistically if my coworker was infected she probably wouldn't even test positive until Monday or Tuesday correct? She got a negative test yesterday afternoon so everyone thinks she is good to go.
If covid is rampant in the community it will be rampant in school.
community control is the key. It’s not hard but people just refuse to believe it is real. The gop did this.
incubation period can be like 3-12 days iirc
so no, they aren't clear and should be isolating
Over the 4 days of infection before the typical time of symptom onset (day 5), the probability of a false-negative result in an infected person decreased from 100% on day 1 to 68% on day 4. On the day of symptom onset, the median false-negative rate was 38%. This decreased to 20% on day 8 (3 days after symptom onset) then began to increase again, from 21% on day 9 to 66% on day 21. The false-negative rate was minimized 8 days after exposure—that is, 3 days after the onset of symptoms on average. As such, this may be the optimal time for testing if the goal is to minimize false-negative results. When the pretest probability of infection is high, the posttest probability remains high even with a negative result. Furthermore, if testing is done immediately after exposure, the pretest probability is equal to the negative posttest probability, meaning that the test provides no additional information about the likelihood of infection.
Since the outbreak began, concerns have been raised about the poor sensitivity of RT-PCR–based tests (18); 1 study has suggested that this might be as low as 59% (19). We have designed a publicly available model that provides a framework for estimating the performance of these tests by time since exposure and can be updated as additional data become available.
Tests for SARS-CoV-2 based on RT-PCR added little diagnostic value in the days immediately after exposure. This is consistent with a window period between acquisition of infection and detectability by RT-PCR seen in other viral infections, such as HIV and hepatitis C (20, 21). Our study suggests a window period of 3 to 5 days, and we would not recommend making decisions regarding removing contact precautions or ending quarantine on the basis of results obtained in this period in the absence of symptoms. Although the false-negative rate is minimized 1 week after exposure, it remains high at 21%. Possible mechanisms for the high false-negative rate include variability in individual amount of viral shedding and sample collection techniques.
Yes way too early to test her
Yes, would love to see that. Just like restaurants, bars and shops, there’s no reason to believe a reduced capacity in a controlled environment would lead to outbreaks.
In Quebec we re-opened full capacity classes without the hybrid option and it’s killing us. The 9M pop. province has seen its daily cases go from 40 in the summer (with everything opened at a limited capacity) to 1400 with school. School seemingly being the only factor that’s changed since the summer low has the population furious about the government’s lack of alternative schooling options and its refusal to acknowledge that the R<0 objective can’t handle 35 kids in classrooms.
This is our first time venturing out via a staycation and let’s just say the behavior is eroding.
The reality is that the chance of a test detecting Covid-19 one day after exposure is almost nil. Your coworker should be tested again on Monday at the very earliest to have any faith in the test result.
Just heard back from the hospital and my mother and grandmother both have COVID. Fuck this administration
sorry to hear that
Damn. Hope they recover well.
Sorry man, hang in there.
Its most likely how I got it.
That sucks sorry to hear that