Your anti mask sentiment is annoying. The science and the data are there, despite your anecdote, which of course, is just an anecdote.
True or false Illinois has a mask mandate and has longer than almost any state? True or false Illinois is doing terribly with covid.
Saw an interesting take on who should get the vaccine first. Most common train of thought is the most vulnerable should. Elderly, front line workers, etc. Then I saw an article that suggested vaccinating “social butterflies” first could help ridding the virus because there would be far less superspreaders. In theory that does sound like it would work but you’d need people to willingly be vaccinated in and the younger crowd is probably less willing. Interesting take nonetheless.
He and my wife deserve all the credit. She is so organized and pushes him really hard. I am so ADHD he would be screwed if it was just me helping him
Which is ironic because every economist outside of trumps orbit said taking the virus seriously would be better for the economy long term.
[Chief] Casstevens, the International Association of Police Chiefs president, said he faces the same issues in Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Although the governor issued an executive order mandating face masks, police officers have no authority to enforce it unless municipalities pass their own ordinances, he said. Article from September, don't know if this has been tightened. A mandate is one thing, how to enforce it is another. But keep spinning, by all means.
New York had a mask mandate longer than Illinois and has done one of the best jobs at suppressing the spread, but cases are starting to rack up. That is an issue of behavior and not masks. You can only mitigate stupid for so long.
If you want to say we need a national civil fine for people not wearing masks that’s one thing. We’re talking about mandates and if they work. Clearly they aren’t all that successful.
if you had a mask mandate but also indoor dining (or other allowed indoor events, especially ones like dining where you take your mask off the whole time) you're going to have a bad time, and increasingly so as the weather got cold setting aside the mask compliance rates quibbling
There’s a reason why point 1 came before point 3 on that list. A mask mandate works with a populace that trusts science. And any mask is better than no mask so if a mask mandate saves just one life then it’s worth it. Which Illini seems to disagree with.
right which is why closing down areas that propagate the spread is the way to go. Bars and restaurants should have been made takeout only and should have had their own stimulus to get them through this.
i imagine theres quite a bit of evidence that mask mandates increase mask wearing rates by sizable margins you're arguing a really silly all-or-nothing position here
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/21546014/mask-mandates-coronavirus-covid-19 hey would you look at that, mandates work, mandates with enforcement mechanisms work a little better but both impact behavior and disease spread!
Before you get to that conclusion (which is incorrect), first presuppose that everyone is taking this pandemic seriously, trusts that makes work (they do!), wears them, and wears them correctly.
Also seems to be completely ignoring people going to house parties and whatnot where they're obviously not wearing a mask. Mask mandate + common sense behavior for the good of all = we're in a better position.
How could you possibly know that it wouldn't be worse without mask mandates? You don't have access to a parallel dimension where the IL Governor didn't issue a mandate. You don't have a control group. So you have no evidence.
It’s what we did here. If you show that your revenues are down 50% (I think), Federal pays 50%, landlord is hit with 25%, and the business pays the remaining 25%.
Well y'all also have a functioning government that isn't knee-capped by a death cult that masquerades as a major political party.
Thankfully we are turning the corner on the worst of our cases and hospitalizations. Now deaths are following. But, all of our models are pointing toward a slow downward trend with some upward swings post thanksgiving and Christmas. Read a couple of different predictions that we've had between 35-40% of the state already infected, so really, makes sense we're on the downswing. Unfortunately, deaths are surging now, as has been the cases literally everywhere a couple of weeks after cases peak. My friend lost her grandpa and uncle in back to back weeks. Hard not to find someone who doesn't know someone who's family has had a COVID related death in the state.
Didn’t mean to rub salt in the wound. Hopefully something can be done in january to salvage the situation.
Thats causation buddy. You have no idea what the numbers would be without a mandate. Its shortsighted ideology and thought process. Simple question. Would Illinois numbers be better with a strictly enforced mask mandate? None of us can know that, but studies have shown wearing a mask is safer than not. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
So Canada’s likely broken its record today. We’re at 5800 without BC who doesn’t report on the week-end, so we should be somewhere between 6500 and 6800 for the day.
I *think* what you are touching on here is something a lot of people are wondering. Basically, what has changed?? I think most people have become comfortable with wearing a mask. They might not like it, but they do it, almost as second nature at this point. When I go out, I see most everyone wearing a mask. I'm not in bars or restaurants, but at grocery stores, Home Dept, etc, I see basically 100% compliance. I am not seeing a dip in compliance that would explain the severe rise in cases. If masks protect us, why aren't they protecting us? And I'm not saying they don't protect us, but if they did protected u in August, why aren't they protecting us now? What changed to the level that we went form steady decline/flat in cases to a sharp rise?
With the decrease in national stories on shootings I guess we just had to move the "well smart gun laws don't stop ALL shootings so I guess we should stop trying" discussion somewhere else. And here we are.
100% mask compliance at retail does not equal 100% mask compliance. There are too many other places where people aren’t wearing them. Additionally, the idea that we just have to wear masks and this thing will be gone is not reality. It’s a seat belt, you can still die if you get in an accident but it will help reduce your chances. You need to do more to reduce the spread rate in the community to below 1 anyway.
It's because masks are a conspiracy by the global elite to stop people like Darryl Perry coming to power and waking up the sheeple to simple truths such as drivers licenses are the first step to totalitarianism.
I get that, and agree, but the question is: what changed? I'm not saying the answer is nefarious or mysterious, I'm just saying I, like I think many, am not sure what "it" is. If people started wearing seat belts, and deaths due to car accidents began to decline and level out, then all of the sudden began to rise across the country, and globally, we'd wonder why, even with wide-spread seat belt compliance, there was a spike in car accident deaths, wouldn't we? So has mask compliance changed so drastically outside of retail that we can attribute that to what we are seeing?
Hmmm, I believe it. ~74 million people voted for Donald Trump. Given the population to which he belongs, Riner is perfectly capable of being this stupid.
wHaT hAs ChAnGeD??? Since we went from closing down schools and non-essential businesses, stopped traveling, etc to now where people are traveling, schools opened back up, businesses reopened, people from different households are gathering again, and oh yeah it’s winter and flu season. Not to mention that despite Riner’s mask usage anecdote, it is not reality across the US, mask usage is way down from earlier this year, and when masks are being used many are not wearing them properly. hOw DiD tHe CaSeS gO uP???
oh gee idk school opened and hanging out outdoors became difficult in many parts of the country? Lockdowns helped but eventually wore off and now it’s spreading like wildfire again? It’s also worth noting that viral spread doesn’t necessarily behave perfectly rationally... ie if we wear masks when we didn’t in a prior period it doesn’t mean it’ll guarantee less spread rate than previous period, it just means it’ll spread less than it would’ve during the current period.
Of course, to a degree that contributes, but there are plenty of areas that have had schools open for months and are in warm climates that are seeing the same changes as in areas that schools just recently came back and are in cold climates. There seems to be similarities among states and areas that have handled things differently, which I don't think is expected.
Give us some examples, but instead of paragraphs where you seemingly lose your train of thought, just some bullet points.
North Carolina and Illinois, vs. Louisiana and Mississippi. Really pick the state. They are all experiencing a large up-tick in cases. If the explanation is kids going back to school cold weather, why are any of the southern red states experiencing similar trends as the northern bluer states?