CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : The Holiday Surge

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  1. Illinihockey

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    this was October 22

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201022/mask-use-by-americans-now-tops-90-poll-finds
     
  2. The Banks

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  3. theriner69er

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    give us the statistics on this please, I'm curious. Not saying you are wrong.....
     
  4. Blu Tang Clan

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    He is the quintessential everything-ruiner.
     
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  5. RavenNole

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    Illini/riner combo put this thread in the toilet the last 2 pages
     
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  6. beerme

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    Schools opening w case rates low and people taking precautions seriously doesn’t necessarily mean cases will instantly sky rocket. By me, schools opened and they would keep the windows open for example. Kids came in on their best behavior w mask wearing. Once it gets cold and people lull they start waning on important precautions like that. People start to wear their mask around their chin or below there noes. There are a number of behavioral changes that lead to spreading, but cases really didn’t die out the just beat back the initial surge (mostly w lockdowns).

    infections per day also don’t just increase until we hit here immunity with no behavioral changes. Peaks and valleys based on what communities or groups of people it’s hitting harder at a time can always occur.
     
  7. beerme

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    read the damn study, 93% of people “sometimes” wear masks... not exactly the same as 90*% of people always wear masks.

    Also, not so coincidentally there is the least amount of mask compliance in Wyoming and the dakotas. It finally took hold there despite their relatively sparse populations, and it just ripped through.
     
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  8. Henry Blake

    Henry Blake No Springsteen is leaving this house!

     
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  9. Henry Blake

    Henry Blake No Springsteen is leaving this house!

    Another heartbreaking thread about which path we have chosen as a nation
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    For months, healthcare professionals have been hanging on to the guardrails of the top deck of the Titanic.
    We have been screaming at the top of our lungs that there is an iceberg dead ahead and begging the captain to turn the wheel.

    We have had other passengers who are
    in the food hall and can’t see the iceberg from where they are standing mocking us accusing us of lying about the iceberg.

    “There is no iceberg. You’re seeing things”
    “Even if there is an iceberg it is smaller than predicted based on available models”
    “You’re getting paid
    to claim there is an iceberg.”

    We are on the ship too. So we are watching the ship approach an iceberg knowing full well that we are going down with the ship.

    Do we keep screaming? Even though nobody is listening? Do we jump ship and save ourselves? The water is freezing
    and we don’t want to desert our fellow passengers.

    Do we gather up the other passengers who can see the iceberg and form a human shield to take the impact on ourselves? Do we bum rush the captain and demand he turn?

    Or do we stand still, silent, frozen in a state of fight or
    flight? Paralyzed with sheer terror.

    Never in a 14 year career would I have imagined I would see this day.

    How are we supposed to feel when a critically ill patient has survived cardiac arrest
    and needs emergency kidney replacement with a dialysis machine but there are no nurses left to run the machine? How do we explain that the hospital policy allows for 1 family member to come in for 1 hour only as we withdraw care so the family of 15 who has traveled
    for hours to be with their father/brother/grandfather as he leaves this earth has to sit outside and watch on FaceTime?

    What do we say when they beg us to make an exception to the hospital policy, exclaiming in tears that they don’t care if they catch COVID,
    they just want to be with him one last time?

    What do we say to the patients’s wife when a patient who was fine 48 hours ago is now maxed on 4 pressors, too unstable to flip on his belly to help his lungs get enough oxygen? He is in his 50’s, maxed on full life support.

    How do I explain that despite all of the medicines and machines available, he is dying, in front of my eyes? And there is nothing we can do to stop it. She cannot see what I see. She cannot feel how helpless this feels.

    How should I respond when I have explained the above to
    this poor wife over the phone and she starts crying, begging the universe to help her understand how this could have happened to him when they had “stayed home for months and done everything to avoid getting the virus”?

    What do I say to the APP from a rural area in my state
    who is calling to transfer a critically ill patient because they don’t have any ICU beds left when we don’t have any either?
    Does it matter that the patient has a very treatable condition? If we had a bed available, we could save this patients life. I am sure of it. But my hands
    are tied and we have to turn them down. I wonder often what happened to that patient.

    I am a surgeon. I fix problems. When patients come in after having been shot and their heart stops in the ER, I am trained to open their chest, clamp the aorta, and buy enough time
    to get the patient into the OR where we can fix whatever is bleeding. I am not afraid of much. In the most chaotic and hopeless of scenarios, when patients come in near-dead, trauma surgeons pick up the bat and swing for the fences. We run large teams of healthcare professionals,

    coordinating care of our patients like Aaron Rodgers in overtime during a Super Bowl game. There is nothing that ruffles us. Nothing that scares us. No case that we won’t try to save. When any rational player would bunt, just to get on base, we swing for the fence deep center
    field. It’s who we are. It’s what we do. Surgeons take out cancers. We fix broken things. We save lives.
    We are used to big sensational grand slam home runs. We are used to winning in double OT. We throw the Hail Mary when we should kick. It’s who we are.

    So when I tell you
    that there is very little in the scope of medicine that truly scares me, it is not hyperbole.

    And when I tell you that I am humbled and terrified by what I have seen in the COVID ICU, it is also not hyperbole.
    What is coming in many states across the country is akin to the
    Titanic. It is another Hurricane Katrina. This was predicted. It was preventable.

    So, you tell me... how do I tell a husband that his wife is going to die tonight when he can’t see the tears welling in my eyes? How do I express my sorrow to him without looking him in the eyes
    and gently putting my hand on his? How do I show him how much I care and how hard we tried to save her when he cannot see me or feel my warmth?

    He came in to see his wife as we transitioned her to comfort care. He was only allowed to stay for an hour. I never met him in person.

    I never gave him a tearful hug. We made his wife comfortable and she passed away that night, pain free. I wanted to be there to meet him but one of my 30+ other patients was getting sicker and I needed to be with him.

    Do you want to know what this dear man said to me when I
    explained that his wife was dying? He asked me, a stranger on the phone, what I advised him to do so that she would not suffer anymore. When I explained what comfort care meant, he agreed immediately. She had had a very poor quality of life and she did not want to suffer anymore.

    So without many questions and without ever having met me, this man trusted a stranger to help walk him through end of life decisions... on the phone.

    And then, he asked me to please please let the whole healthcare team know how grateful he was for all we had done for her. He
    said “nobody really thanks you guys anymore.” He made me promise to tell the whole team how grateful he was.

    Because as he was preparing to lose his wife, a woman he had loved for 50 years, it was the well-being of the healthcare team that was important to him. I made sure to
    pass on the message to the bedside nurse and the charge nurse as I ran upstairs to another critically ill patient.

    Sometimes I wonder which of these situations will haunt me in 5 years. The hug that I missed? The patient who couldn’t transfer to us? The woman who couldn’t get
    the dialysis machine she needed? Sometimes I wonder which of these nightmares will stick with me.

    But then I remember that I go back on shift in a few days. And I am finally home with my parents, celebrating a small delayed Thanksgiving after finishing my quarantine. I realize
    that if my mind stays at work with my patients and co-workers, it will keep me from enjoying a small slice of normal life in between shifts. And I won’t do that. There is not enough of this time and I can’t waste it.

    For those who are wondering... I put my heart into this but in case you’re worried, I promise I am good. I’m taking good care of myself.

    It also is worth mentioning that I have very carefully worded this post to avoid any HIPAA violations. If any patients or families would
    read this thread, there are no identifiable details and I have purposely delayed writing this post with no stated time frame.

    Just reflections on past experiences.

    And I deeply and profoundly understand that while healthcare professionals are struggling, it is so so much worse
    for our patients and their families. This disease is harming so many and I am not trying to center this dialogue on myself.

    I just wanted to give folks a glimpse into the hauntingly persistent experiences that healthcare workers are having these days.
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  10. Eathan Edwards

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    Yea, we have effectively a 30k bar tab we have to pay in January with our apartment complex due to differed rent.

    Was holding out hope some form of actual abatement would occur - would have rather just paid rent on time at this point.
     
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  11. Goose

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    He was great at the beginning but he’s been pretty shitty since Dr. Amy “stepped down”

    Curfews aren’t going to get the job done
     
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  12. theregionsitter

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    the state is broke, he’s terrified of doing anything else that will erode the tax base further
     
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  13. BWC

    BWC It was the BOAT times, it was the WOAT times
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    He's eroding it further by doing nothing. Our leadership is so god damn stupid.
     
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  14. theregionsitter

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    My understanding is state revenues have sort of come back to life, the deficit isn’t as bad as projected 6 months ago.
     
  15. The Banks

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    Every reputable economist said that it would be much worse for the economy long term to keep things open.
     
  16. theregionsitter

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    lol at reputable economists advising the Governor of Ohio even if he’s a technocrat
     
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  17. Killy Me Please

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  18. BWC

    BWC It was the BOAT times, it was the WOAT times
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  19. WhiskeyDelta

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    I was listening to Behind the Bastards and they talked about the Pope coming from a South American Catholic tradition of being the bastion of progressive policies after certain unnamed spy agencies of certain unnamed North American countries installed totalitarian dictators.
     
  20. Beeds07

    Beeds07 Bitch, it's Saturday
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    My moms memory care facility just called. She tested positive for covid. This does not feel like it will end well.
     
  21. Chipper>Jeter

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    Damn man I'm sorry to hear that.
     
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  22. Beeds07

    Beeds07 Bitch, it's Saturday
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    Thanks man.

    Shes 76 with end stage dementia. We've already had a couple calls before this where they thought this was it. My only saving grace is that she isn't showing symptoms but im still more or less preparing for the worst.
     
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  23. PeterGriffin

    PeterGriffin Iced and/or sweet tea is for dirty rednecks.
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    Hoping she prevails, best of luck.
     
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  24. shaolin5

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    That's terrible news. Hopefully it's a mild case.
     
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  25. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    That sucks, this is basically why my wife made her mom move in with us. I hope she pulls through.
     
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  26. BWC

    BWC It was the BOAT times, it was the WOAT times
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    So sorry, man.
     
  27. SD_Irish

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    Man Beeds, hang in there. Hope she’s alright.
     
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  28. Killy Me Please

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    Cant find it. Link.
     
  29. pperc

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    Deaths massively underestimate the cost to life
     
  30. WhiskeyDelta

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    I think it’s one of the School of the Americas episodes.

    Here’s part one:

    it wasn’t the focus of the episodes but it was mentioned.
     
  31. Redav

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  32. Beeds07

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    Lol those were two days apart.
     
  33. NoNatty

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  34. ButchCassidy

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    I'm sure it's been talked about, but do we know the side effects of these vaccines?

    My wife, a nurse, heard it's like the worst hangover of your life.
     
  35. ~ taylor ~

    ~ taylor ~ Boom... head shot.
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    Lol, the person who said that never went to Vegas for five nights.
     
  36. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    It may make you feel real shitty for a day after the second shot, but that isn't going to be everyone and it's obviously something hopefully your wife understands, as a nurse, is a huge trade off for being protected for many months or longer.
     
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  37. Whammy Business

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    Don’t be a pussy. People don’t need another excuse not to get vaccinated.
     
  38. Andy Reocho

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    I dunno. I’d rather not be inconvenienced for a day...

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  39. dathalfnukkahd

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    Celemo you know this person?
     
  40. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    The good thing is that it's the second, not the first, because otherwise you'd probably see even more people resistant.

    Obviously this isn't going to happen but it would be nice to see hospitals deny people who willingly refused vaccination that aren't immunocompromised.
     
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  41. Beeds07

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    Can you put this in terms of someone who lost a bet and had to chug five straight shots of Malort?
     
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  42. ButchCassidy

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    Oh I'm not saying to avoid it, I was just curious what the side effects were. If that's the worst of it, there's no excuse for anybody to not get it.
     
  43. RavenNole

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    They are going to need to try and get people in all walks of life on board with the vaccine. I could pursue religious figures, Republican media folks. Everyone. We need as many people as possible to take the vaccine over the next year.
     
  44. beerme

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    The person had 6 likes on her post, this shit is probably fake
     
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  45. Celemo

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    not personally but if memory serves I think she works in Oncology which makes it 100 times worse imo. Was just reading an e-mail from the CEO, she's been placed on administrative leave and will probably lose her job because of this.
     
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  46. Bo Pelinis

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    Good.
     
  47. BWC

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    Good