CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : We Are.... Beyond Fucked

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  1. HuskerInMiami

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    Thanks. Really informative. Here's link to article in his tweet (because I somehow missed it in the tweet):
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

    It says that people are getting it at large events/gatherings. If one person has it there and goes to the event, they spread it to a lot of others. Typically these large gatherings are loud so people will take of their mask or speak loudly. This causes the virus to spread quickly to many people.

    Other people who get it and don't go to large gatherings are less likely to spread it as they aren't talking loudly and are less close together.
     
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  2. HuskerInMiami

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    Hitoshi Oshitani, a member of the National COVID-19 Cluster Taskforce at Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare and a professor at Tohoku University who told me that Japan focused on the overdispersion impact from early on, likens his country’s approach to looking at a forest and trying to find the clusters, not the trees. Meanwhile, he believes, the Western world was getting distracted by the trees, and got lost among them. To fight a super-spreading disease effectively, policy makers need to figure out why super-spreading happens, and they need to understand how it affects everything, including our contact-tracing methods and our testing regimes.


    "In study after study, we see that super-spreading clusters of COVID-19 almost overwhelmingly occur in poorly ventilated, indoor environments where many people congregate over time—weddings, churches, choirs, gyms, funerals, restaurants, and such—especially when there is loud talking or singing without masks. For super-spreading events to occur, multiple things have to be happening at the same time, and the risk is not equal in every setting and activity
     
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  3. JGator1

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    I mean this seems like basic info that anyone who's followed this knew months ago. There's been tons of stories about the big events causing the spread and anyone who willingly put on those events is a huge asshole.
     
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  4. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Asian countries also have a populace who believe in science and follow directions.
     
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  6. xec

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    Just cherry picking from that tweet and The Atlantic article:
    Q. Why was there so much spread in Italy earlier, but not later?
    A. Because in the early stages they were already way behind when they realized there was a problem. After they began practicing good social distancing and other preventive measures the testing and contact tracing was able to reduce the spread.

    Q. Why did Hong Kong which had massive testing and contact tracing not have any super-spreading?
    A. He answered his own question.

    The answer to reducing the spread is testing, contact tracing, limiting the size of groups, don’t stay long in indoor public places, practicing social distancing, and wearing masks. If all of that =K, he didn’t make it clear.
     
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  8. Nole0515

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    I got a covid test today cause My sister asked me to get one before going to visit her and my nephew. surprisingly was a very easy. went fast but started to get backed up after I left
     
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  9. RavenNole

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    NYC is always going to be an outlier when it comes to this virus. NYC and London are good comparisons on a lot of things but the UK, once they realized there was a problem, took intense, national steps to fight the virus. They created a national pride around doing the right thing. It didn’t last but that slowed things in a major way.

    NYC took some steps but got no national help. You had a president saying not to wear masks who thought the virus was a hoax.

    the biggest issue though was overwhelmed hospitals, lack of testing, lack of guidance on what to do, being told NOT to wear a mask at that time, and a general lack of knowledge for doctors on how to treat it.

    I feel like you almost have to look at the virus in 2 stages. Outbreaks in late winter/early spring and outbreaks after late spring into early summer. At least we knew what we were up against after awhile and probably would have been able to do a decent job if our president wasn’t a death cult leader.
     
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  11. ANTWONE

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    Seems like these are clusters in a handful of neighborhoods and it’s largely the Hasidic community. I can tell you right now nobody is wearing masks in South Williamsburg and they’re having large gatherings so not surprising.
     
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    The Atlantic article's discussion of Sweden was good
     
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  13. Illinihockey

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    I assume you'll be crucified for citing something saying young children are not large spreaders of the disease. I agree people have been misrepresenting what has been going on in Sweden for months now.
     
  14. tjsblue

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    It said they’re not super spreaders, not that they aren’t large spreaders.
     
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  15. Illinihockey

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    That part of the article is about how they kept schools open because kids don't spread the disease very much but that there are lots of other activities that do that they kept closed.
     
  16. timo

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  17. 941Gator

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    I know 3 people on their second time. One guy said it wasn’t as bad and one said about the same. Lost taste and smell, etc. April and September were the 2 months.
     
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  18. afb

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    if this pandemic has taught me anything it's that if I don't feel well I should absolutely use public transport immediately
     
  19. shaolin5

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    Good thread

     
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  20. bro

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    Hospitalizations beginning to trend up
     
  21. Champ

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    Second wave is real.
     
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  22. bertwing

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    Arkansas set their single day case record today with 1127 new cases. Pretty cool
     
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    never done this before, but I’m bumping my own post
     
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  25. Goose

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    Seeing a lot less “this whole coronavirus mess will be over on November 4th” posts and a whole lot more prayer posts this fine morning
     
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  26. AbeFroman

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    Does this mean I can stop my preventive regimen of megadosing HCQ and hitting the tanning bed daily with my mouth open?
     
  27. WhiskeyDelta

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    Smooth brain at work is still saying "this is no worse than the regular flu". Former Marine so no great shock he's a fucking dunce.
     
  28. seanofthedead86

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    OnCe A MaRiNe AlWaYs A MaRiNe
     
  29. WhiskeyDelta

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    Semper Moronus
     
  30. Sub-Zero

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    Well this thread should see some activity soon
     
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  31. Aaron Hernandez

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    I think the name is evolving again to Trump’s disease.
     
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  32. JGator1

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  33. AbeFroman

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    I have a colleague that knows better saying the same shit. Goes on about global flu deaths being 650,000/yr (which is the top end of estimates) without providing the context that we are over a million dead globally for covid and the year isn't over.
     
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  34. DelapThrows

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    Domers, get your boy
     
  35. slogan119

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    So scared to face FSU next week even the Uni President got the ‘rona
     
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    The game should be canceled. For safety reasons.
     
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  37. shaolin5

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    This doesn't sound good.

     
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  38. shaolin5

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    So, in West Virginia, the governor came up with this color-coded map for counties (fine), which determined things like kids schedules for school, high school sports, % of customers allowed in restaurants, ect.
    Then a month later, he added a color, which pissed people off, because it was obvious that he was manipulating the numbers.
    Then, he switched from the "Harvard map" to a map that was based primarily on negative tests instead of positive ones.
    NOW, people (fucking chuds) are swamping the testing sites, getting MULTIPLE negative results to fuck the numbers up even MORE. ON PURPOSE.
    People are fucking stupid and the absolute fucking worst.
     
  39. ramszoolander

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    Wow, I hadn't heard this. After talking to my parents on the phone, though, they're convinced that a Biden presidency would be the END OF THE REPUBLIC. Absolutely nuts.
     
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  40. Jimmy the Saint

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    Yea, establishment career politician Joe Biden is the candidate who will end the republic. Astonishing.
     
  41. Emma

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    Wisconsin COVID-19: 2,892 new cases reported Saturday, another single-day high, 8th new record daily high in 30 days

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  42. Henry Blake

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    What site are those from?
     
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  44. Illinihockey

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    Just found out my cousin has been in the ICU for a few days with covid, they just moved her back to a regular room. Was very close to going on a vent. She’s 40 with no pre-existing conditions
     
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  45. shaolin5

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    This is bullishit

     
  46. JGator1

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  47. tjsblue

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  48. Emma

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  49. AbeFroman

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    This seems to make sense with the randomness of superspreading events and the existence of family members not getting the virus even though they were in close proximity to a positive case. The problem is there is no way that I know of to tell when a super spreader person and/or strain is present until after the fact.
     
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  50. Josey Wales

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    It’s almost like again again the science says.... to be fucking cautious and responsible.