CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : We Are Fucked

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  1. Emma

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  2. Emma

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    Statewide mask mandate [​IMG]
     
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  3. beerme

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    My parents, brothers family and sister/bf are heading to fire island NY in 2 weeks. It’s a super sleepy town For a beach town, beach is always very distanced in normal times on this part of the island, only residents/renters and not many day trippers. My Wife, son and I are sitting out much to the disappointment of everyone else. They’re taking all the precautions you can, taking a private water taxi to get there instead of the ferry, they’re all testing a couple days beforehand, wiping down counters etc. Idk what I was hoping for in hindsight when I thought we might go but as good as NY has done compared to other states and where we were, it’s not going away.

    It’s putting a lot of strain on the family that we’re not going, my wife and I have been super (Maybe over?) cautious throughout this and even though my parents say they’re taking it seriously whenever we see them I can tell they aren’t. My mom keeps asking to hug my son, she said they’re social distancing but my dad is aloof and wanders close if we’re out on a walk until being reminded, and last time we were with my parents their neighbor came up and hugged her. In late April when it was brutal here my mom had an exposure to a neighbor who contracted the virus and she came over to social distance in our yard a few days later and didn’t even tell my wife and I until two months after.

    i feel like this is our last chance to have a relatively safe trip for my 19 month old until probably next spring/summer, but still feel like there’s too much risk and it’s not the right thing to do. I also feel like shit cuz I can tell my mom in particular is dying to spend my time with my son. Idk what this post was really about just venting I guess, my mind is pretty made up but not sure if we’re handling it right none the less
     
  4. yaywaffles

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    even by conspiracy standards, this seems too dumb to be real
     
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  5. RavenNole

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    These idiots should be permanently banned
     
  6. pperc

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    You could try telling your mom how you feel. That if you felt and observed she was taking it seriously and taking the proper precautions she could come spend time with you, hug your son, etc. Because you know that you’re taking precautions to protect your mom.
     
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  7. Lyrtch

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    likely will be, delta hasn't been fucking around
     
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  8. Henry Blake

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    You're making the right decisions about the trip and your mom visiting, imo. If she's not naturally cautious about things, it seems a stretch to think she'll start doing it (esp. after not telling you about her exposure).
     
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  9. beerme

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    Tell someone how you really feel? That’s preposterous. No, seriously I’ve thought about it but then in my mind she gets Upset because she doesn’t believe she’s being unsafe and she’ll promise to do it differently even though I know she (well more specifically my father) is probably not capable of it. Also that’s not the only reason. As safe as my entire family wants to be is it not more of a risk to be in a house with 10 people who are all walking around (albeit mostly outside) for a full week and hoping not one of us gets it and exposes anyone else? The pathways are all 3 ft wide to walk to and from beach, it’s outside and you can try and step off but... grocery shopping, etc
     
  10. slogan119

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    Sort of. I think it’s going to move in waves through communities, rather than the US as a whole. NYC/NE had their Wave 1, now comes Wave 2, all while FL/GA/TX/AZ are in their version of Wave 1.
     
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  11. cutig

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    Pretty sure the airline policies were to put those people on no fly lists
     
  12. slogan119

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    Cut to 2 weeks later:

    Half the LASD has tested positive for Covid and is on disability leave
     
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  13. slogan119

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    If your parents need to see your son doesn’t outweigh their inability to distance for 2 weeks, you have your decision and are right to throw it in their face.
     
  14. pperc

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    In the end, she has to know that the reason she can’t see your son and hug him is on her. Not on you.

    10 is a lot of people. But there are ways to minimize risk. Bring groceries for the week. No external shopping. Walking past someone on the beach path in open air is incredibly low risk.
     
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  15. slogan119

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    I may or may not know of a company that delivers groceries to the island on the ferry to eliminate going to the store
     
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  17. Henry Blake

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    And by the fall it's going to be everywhere.
     
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  18. RavenNole

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    I think this was brought up in the Covid sports thread but should be talked about in here. A 27 year old professional athlete with complications. This isn’t just about death and the media has not done a good job of making that point to people.
     
  19. The Banks

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  20. kinghill

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    A few days old but I haven't seen this posted or discussed here. A good read w/ discussion about reopening schools:


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transc...-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-july-26-2020/

    The following is a transcript of an interview with former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb by CBS News' Margaret Brennan that aired Sunday, July 26, 2020, on "Face the Nation."

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to FACE THE NATION. We now go to former FDA commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who joins us from Westport, Connecticut. Good morning to you, Doctor.

    DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Good morning.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: We're around 70,000 infections a day, 1,000 Americans dead. You've described this as four separate epidemics. Where are we now?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: Well, the epicenter of the epidemic right now in the United States has been the Sunbelt, states like California, Texas, Arizona, Florida. There are signs that the cases in these states are starting to plateau. That- that trend is most discernible in Arizona and Texas right now, where you see the positivity rate declining. It's a little bit more of a mixed bag in Florida and California. I think we're going to have to wait another week to see how those states net out. But there are unmistakable signs that the epidemic seems to be slowing in these states. Now, at the same time, it seems to be heating up in other states. So if you look at states like Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, the District of Columbia, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, all hitting highs on the number of new cases being reported. So the epidemic may be shifting to other regions in the country. I think Arizona in particular is a very instructive case because if they're able to start to bring down the epidemic in that state, largely what will have done it is some selective action by the governor. He did take some targeted mitigation steps like closing the bars, but more the collective action of individuals to withdraw some of their actions, stay home a little bit more and more adherence to masks. And so if they're able to get the epidemic under control with those more targeted measures and more collective action on the parts of consumers, that's a good guidepost for the future and how other states may control their epidemics.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: So Indiana, Illinois, Georgia, Alabama, you've highlighted them all. Would you recommend to those governors that they get ahead of it and do some of those things like shuttering bars and mandating masks?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: I think that's exactly right. I think looking at what Governor Ducey did in Arizona is somewhat instructive. They did take some targeted mitigation steps in that state, like shutting bars, dialing back how many people could be in restaurants, closing movie theaters and other kinds of entertainment venues outside. At the same time, they did implement the mask mandate, a little late, but they did do it. And you did start to see consumers decrease their activity. Google mobility trends started to decline in the state. And so if that sort of trifecta of activity can have the effect of quelling an epidemic without the really significant mitigation steps that we took during the first wave of the epidemic, that's a hopeful sign. And it's also a suggestion that states that now have made gains in getting their epidemics under control, like the state of Connecticut that I'm in right now, perhaps they can keep their epidemics under control if they can just maintain adherence to things like masks and keep certain high risk congregate venues like bars closed through the duration of the really risky period for this epidemic in this country.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: And it's interesting because, again, we are seeing the private sector make its own decisions. McDonald's joining Walmart, Starbucks, other large retailers this week in requiring masks to be worn indoors. Is this a way around the politics? I mean, do you look at that and say this is what we should be doing?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: I think so, and I think it's a very good way around the politics. If enough businesses mandate masks in their venues, you effectively have a national mask mandate. You know, Delta Airlines announced this week that if you don't wear masks on their planes, they may ban you from flying on their planes for life. I think you're going to see more collective action on the parts of businesses. I've been talking with some CEOs in the past week, and I think you're going to see more businesses come together to implement mask mandates in venues, especially indoor high risk venues, to try to keep this epidemic under control. I mean, if we really can manage to keep the epidemic under control heading into the winter until we get to a vaccine or some kind of therapeutic that changes the clinical trajectory of this illness just with masks, that's going to be something relatively simple that we can all do that doesn't really change our lives and allows us to maintain what's really important to us, like keeping some businesses open, like getting our kids back to school.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we are looking at going back to school within a matter of weeks. I have been talking to people this week about testing. I know people who have been waiting weeks for results. I know LabCorp told F.T. this week that it's taking about four to six days for people to get results. You've said they're basically useless unless you get them within three days. Do you have to fix this before we can open schools safely?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: I think you do. I think one of the things you need to look at in a local community is whether or not you can get test results, because if you can't get test results back in a timely fashion, you really don't have a way to detect whether there is an outbreak in the community or in the school. And while we do need to lean forward and try to open our schools because it's important to children, we need to prevent outbreaks from happening in the schools. We can't just let the infection run rampant inside the schools. And having good testing in place is going to be a critical tool. I talked to the CEO of LabCorp yesterday. They've gotten caught up. They're doing about 175,000 tests a week. They're going to be returning test results maybe within two or three days right now. Hopefully, Quest will get caught up as well. But if we do have other major epidemics, other major hotspots emerge, the testing system can become strained again. We're heading towards about 750,000 tests a day and will probably be at a million by the end of this month. So we have a lot of testing capacity. The problem is when you have these major epidemics in multiple regions of the country, it can strain the system.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: The CDC did come out with guidelines this week on how to reopen schools, but they left out when you should shut them down. What is the benchmark that parents need to be looking for to make that decision?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: Well, look, the CDC didn't put a benchmark in that guidance and I think it was unfortunate. I think in the absence of specific guidance to districts, you're likely to see more districts err on the side of caution. So I think CDC should have addressed this. It was probably deliberate that they didn't because they don't want to address something that was politically charged. But for local school districts, I think they need to be looking at what is the spread within the community. If you have uncontrolled spread within the community, it's going to be very hard to open against that backdrop. I think you need to look at the density of students in the schools. So you'll see some districts, for example, opening the elementary schools to five days a week in class learning because they can de-densify those schools. But maybe the high schools, they'll go to a hybrid model where it's harder to de-densify the schools. Schools are looking at retrofitting HVAC systems to improve air quality, the use of mandatory masks. And I think one of the most important features, and a lot of other countries did this with success is keeping students in defined cohorts or pods so you don't have--

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

    DR. GOTTLIEB: --a lot of students intermingling. You have the same fifteen students gathering together.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: But you're a parent. If you see a positivity rate above 5%, which is hotspot territory, do you send your kid to school?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: I think somewhere in five to 10% it's starting to get iffy. Above 10% I think that's a threshold where you really want to think carefully about closing the school districts, because that is a sign that there is an epidemic underway inside that community. So those are the kinds of things you're looking at. I'm- I'm in Connecticut right now. We've got the infection under control. I think we're going to have the opportunity to open the schools here. But when you look at states like Florida or Southern California, I mean California has already made the decision not to open the schools. I think it's going to be very hard in parts of Florida to open schools on time because of the outbreaks. And you're also seeing a lot of parents make proactive decisions to keep their kids home. So districts in Maryland, for example, that were giving an option to parents, a flexible option to parents, they surveyed those parents and enough parents said we're not going to be sending our kids that the districts just made the decision to close the schools. And that shows that in the- in the setting of uncertainty and- and the lack of specific guidance about how to keep schools open, I think more parents are going to err on the side of caution. That's why it's very important to get specificity out of what the hard metrics are that CDC didn't do in this guidance. There's still time to do it.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

    DR. GOTTLIEB: But I think we need to think about it. Things like positivity rate. What is the local spread? What is the testing capacity in place in a local community? Those are the metrics you want to be looking at.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Right. I agree. More information is always better. I'm glad you gave us a benchmark. Always good to talk to you, Dr. Gottlieb.
     
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  21. Cornelius Suttree

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    Incredible. You'd have to pay me to go to something like that in normal times
     
  22. WhiskeyDelta

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    Please put walls of text in a spoiler
     
  23. kinghill

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    Eat shit.
     
  24. 941Gator

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    None of the local cops down here are getting tested. Call in sick, miss a few shifts, move on.
     
  25. bertwing

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    Imagine wading in a gigantic piss pool with shitty beer, vomit, and a bunch of COVID

    All those idiots deserve to choke on their mucus
     
  26. JGator1

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    Checking bars/restaurants on snapchat just gives me anxiety seeing groups of people there in an indoor environment.
     
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  27. IV

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    how long is it going to take to explain to them that delta as a private company can refuse them service
     
  28. Daniel Ocean

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    two, two again 2 fucking people died from Ebola in the us. JFC
     
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  29. 941Gator

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    Ebola truthers in the building
     
  30. The Banks

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    2 seconds?
     
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  31. Baseballman86

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    just what a sheep would say. WakEUp ShEeP!
     
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  32. The Banks

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    A main tenet of Trumpism: lacking context and people not understanding it.
     
  33. IV

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    you’re right I should have said for them to comprehend
     
  34. slogan119

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    Fixed
     
  35. Eathan Edwards

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    This has created an absolute shitshow in LA, I’m not sure what they expected.
     
  36. blind dog

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  37. Gin Buckets

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    You completely missed my point, and I think you know that. Either way, I regret posting the original post in the first place, so my apologies and I'll see myself out of this thread.
     
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  38. Beeds07

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    Count me in for Manitowoc PD interrogating people for not wearing masks.

    I'm not sure if that's the joke I want, but there's definitely a joke in there.
     
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  39. Randy Dangus

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    Well-reasoned folks of Bayfield and Ashland counties acting as expected while the rest of the shit tips let their state burn.

    Side note Emma, if you’re ever up that way stop by the Delta Diner north of Drummond. Legit some of the best food I’ve eaten, at any restaurant, ever. It’s phenomenal.
     
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    Must be worse than I thought
     
  42. Henry Blake

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    Throw Birx in a giant pit of snakes, she has soft pedaled 150k dead

     
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  45. The Banks

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    Distancing herself from Fauci, hmm...
     
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  46. RavenNole

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    this business should be permanently shut down
     
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  47. Cornelius Suttree

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    Deborah Birx, the physician overseeing the White House coronavirus response, warned Sunday that the United States had entered a “new phase” of the pandemic and urged people to take extreme health precautions as infections and deaths rise sharply throughout the county.

    “I want to be very clear what we’re seeing today is different from March and April,” Birx told CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday, noting that cases were increasing in rural and urban areas. “It is extraordinarily widespread.”

    Asked about an estimate from former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb that virus deaths could top 300,000 by the end of the year, Birx said “anything is possible.” She said such an outcome would be far less likely if people practiced social distancing and avoided large gatherings.

    Good job, arm wrestlers. Hope you enjoyed that MMA event last night. Might be the last one you see
     
  48. Henry Blake

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    It's criminal how many lives have been lost b/c no one could say Wear a Mask.
     
  49. Kevintensity

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