COVID-19 info thread

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  1. THEBLUERAIDER

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    I understand that. My point stands.

    Edit..with preschool, the social and emotional growth is most important. If the school can guarantee that parents know what they are doing and teaching the curriculum appropriately, the academic side may not suffer as much. However, the stay at home parents that think they know everything are usually not that great at teaching the way things need to be taught. Anecdotally of course.
     
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  2. RonBurgundy

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    WRT kids not infected: healthy kids without severe preexisting conditions are clearly not very affected by the disease except in rare cases of MIS-C, but even then those are usually 5 year olds and older. I think the “kids can’t spread” idea is dead, but I think the best stance at this point which has the most merit is the “not impossible just less likely” to cause spread in kids.
     
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  3. buckwild

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    Standing ovation to point #2. They have to find a way to go for it. Throwing your hands up in the air and just saying everyone will be learning from home is a disaster for so many children and those that come from dual income houses.
     
  4. Lyrtch

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    the idea medicine/science should be apolitical is nice and all

    but its never been that way and never will be, the faster scientists learn to take a bigger role in the political process the better
     
  5. pperc

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    Not knocking you for what you said because it's not quite the same, but the "stay in my lane" comment is one the Anschutz pediatric ID doc made as well. Unfortunately, those that read the article don't really understand that the recommendations are not taking into account risk to teachers because of "stay in my lane".

    I agree with you though. Socialization and class room behavior and structure to the day matter to 3 year old. I just don't know, like you, what losing a year of that would mean in this specific situation.
     
  6. pperc

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    nor do the preschoolers listen to their parents anyways. it's hard to provide structure to a 3 year old that's yours.
     
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  7. pperc

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    with a covid-19 outbreak - or even one positive case in a class - are you OK with shutting the school down for a period of time immediately?
     
  8. pperc

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    I feel we may lack much data on this from higher endemic areas. as soon as NYC or Seattle started to have significant community spread, day cares and schools were closed.

    Part of this reopening committee involves making recommendations. I think the teachers will be taking significant risk, especially the older ones. I don't know how I feel about that.
     
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  11. dtx

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    samadi is a dumbass grifter
     
  12. buckwild

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    I'm not gonna speak for how I feel about how that would happen for grade school kids, as I don't have a kid that age or in those environments. But, I've already accepted that as fact for our daycare and I'm completely on board with it.
     
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  13. RonBurgundy

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    Have read this and it’s interesting, but even then Florida, Arizona and Texas, etc should be seeing more deaths if everything was equal. You can’t just dismiss demographics, better management and better testing capabilities point us to lower more accurate CFRs because the data is looked and messy.

    all those factors he acknowledges that have been proposed for the lower death rate are absolutely factors, even if he’s right about pooled data making it look not as bad.
     
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  14. RonBurgundy

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    Yep teachers are at risk and will be the ones in the classroom getting symptomatic and infected at higher rates in kids if we believe the data so far.

    I have written a couple of letters for educators to teach remotely/not teach live this upcoming year due to preexisting conditions.

    idk how you can teach preschool remotely. Don’t think that will work. Teachers are going to be front line workers come fall.
     
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  15. dtx

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    i cant speak for any of the data because i’m not a dr and can barely grasp the most simple when it comes to this stuff

    i can say with nearly 100% certainty that texas deaths are going to explode very soon with the data and testimonials i’ve read though. hope it’s not ny level bad
     
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  16. THEBLUERAIDER

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    Great point.
     
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  17. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    This is something I read, I forget where, and definitely probably wasn't a person who has expertise in the area. But, is there a concern given how much the virus is spreading, and therefore presumably mutating at a quicker rate than if we had to it under control, will a vaccine that's currently in the later trials right now be uneffective come winter?
     
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  18. pperc

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    negligible concern from me
     
  19. pperc

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    another factor: poor reporting of data
     
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  20. slogan119

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    And falsification of data
     
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  21. dtx

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    texas and florida are cooking the fuck out of the data
     
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  22. slogan119

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    I’m unconvinced GA isn’t as well
     
  23. dtx

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    hard to know what the fuck is really going on when you have shit bags that will fire people for being honest in charge of the data

    only people who work at the hospitals really know what’s going on and they all say to get ready for a disaster pretty much
     
  24. Henry Blake

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    Things have changed a bit (like described upthread), but when NY was having >8000 cases per day, they were having >300 deaths/day shortly thereafter.
     
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  25. Redav

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    If the numbers don't go up this week then I think there's definitely something fishy going on with the counting
     
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  26. Room 15

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    Or more lower risk people are getting it or we are getting better at treating it. Any or all could be true.
     
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  27. pperc

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    All can be true. But do you have data to support the risk factors of people getting it in Texas vs NYC that end up hospitalized are meaningfully different to the tune we are seeing?
     
  28. Redav

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    It'd be nice to be sure of any of that by being able to trust the data.
     
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  29. gordon bombay

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    Cooking the books would be a monumental lie by the govt.

    it would be so easy for a hospital to completely call out the numbers that it’s hard to believe it’s possible. It would have to be a unified effort between the hospitals and state govts, I just don’t see it. IMO it’s grasping.
     
  30. dtx

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    hospitalizations have went up like 600% here in a month. they keep going up and so do the icu numbers. virtually every person in a major hospital here has said its a literal nightmare and they can’t provide adequate care for hours or even days

    if the numbers don’t go up, someone’s doing some nefarious shit
     
  31. dtx

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    it’s not in texas

    abbott had the biggest medical center here to manipulate numbers of available beds and make the information confusing and hard to digest
     
  32. gordon bombay

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    I’m talking specifically about deaths.
     
  33. dtx

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    drs, surgeons, nurses at hospitals here have all said its god awful while the ceos of these hospitals have stayed quiet

    don’t think it’s as far fetched as you may think
     
  34. pperc

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    It’s what those deaths are attributable to. You can put the death in a different category potentially.
     
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  35. dtx

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    just lots of pneumonia in texas in... july imo
     
  36. gordon bombay

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    I guess I have a hard time believing hospitals would cook the books and classify deaths as pneumonia or whatever. I think it’s in our best interest to not grasp at conspiracy theories when we really have no real evidence and trust the numbers given to us.
     
  37. Redav

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    Hospital CEOs have been meeting with Kemp throughout. I don't think it would be as difficult as you're making it out to be. Hospitals would benefit from it appearing "safer" to their community. Not to mention several of these governors have already been caught playing tricks with the numbers
     
  38. xec

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    The future studies comparing 2020 pneumonia mortality to previous years will be revealing.
     
  39. slogan119

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    If they were to do this and deaths stack up, how do they avoid a question like:

    “Pneumonia season is deadly this year - should residents start wearing masks to keep from catching pneumonia?”
     
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  40. gordon bombay

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    I think if what you all are suggesting is possible it would have already been revealed if true. The entire world is watching this and analyzing the data daily.

    i do completely agree the entire data collection process is a monumental failure by our govt.
     
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  41. dtx

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    yep, and a bunch of people question the data
     
  42. dtx

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    UNLESS texans and floridians are more invincible than the rest of the fucking world

    :texassmug:
     
  43. xec

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    Most hospitals are part of large health/medical corporations with CEOs and Boards who are VERY political. In Utah the Governor could make one phone call and have this done for a company that has about 70% of the hospital beds in the State. He hasn’t, to his credit. But that’s how easy it is to do. Not all of the MDs will go along with it of course, but a large percentage will.
     
  44. gordon bombay

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    The idiot Rs also question the data coming out in states like ny, nj etc. It just seems both sides only want to believe the data that supports whatever political belief they have.
     
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  45. dtx

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    desantis fired someone for trying to report case count correctly

    you’d have to be naive to think he wouldn’t try to hide the thing that matters most
     
  46. gordon bombay

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    Alright, we will agree to disagree on whether or not hospitals could truly cover up thousands of deaths. I just don’t think it’s possible but do agree it would be a massive massive fuck up resulting in hundreds of people going to jail n
     
  47. pperc

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    It’s not the deaths, I just said that
     
  48. gordon bombay

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    I am only arguing about covid death numbers, sorry if that was unclear
     
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  49. dtx

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    no ones going to jail for anything in this country in the current climate
     
  50. xec

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    The new WH slogan is “We need to live with it”, which means they can’t have lots of people dying in the run up to November 3. Yes, eventually the truth that COVID killed many more than officially counted will come out. When it does he will blame it on the CDC and the States for having a terrible cause of death reporting system in place (they do). Sorry to go political here, but it’s relevant to the discussion.
     
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