COVID-19 info thread

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  1. Joystick Izzy

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    I was gonna have my wife make me a shirt with a large scarlet C on it
     
  2. Joystick Izzy

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    This is what I was looking for, obviously something I wasn’t considering. Thanks.
     
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  3. Tigers

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    I have 23 and me and try to do their health surveys when possible. They have been doing a good number of COVID related ones. They just sent out their first COVID related small update:

    "Thank you for being one of the 800,000 people who've contributed to the 23andMe COVID-19 Study. Our research team is hard at work analyzing the data. So far, preliminary results suggest that people with O blood types are between 9-18% less likely than individuals with other blood types to have tested positive for COVID-19."

    We kind of already knew that but interesting to see it playing out irl
     
  4. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Yeah I got that same email. Answered those questions a while ago but my wife and I are both O positive.
     
  5. theriner69er

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    is that really what they said tho? I read it as saying in-person learning was preferable from an educational standpoint, in ares with low viral spread. But they still maintain a 6' social distancing requirement. I don't see much that changed
     
  6. slogan119

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    From a larger perspective, even pre- or post-Covid, we need to evaluate some of those services provided by schools and ask whythey are providing them for kids.
     
  7. Can I Spliff it

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    Ya, that a service as basic as getting kids food at school has mutated in to implementation of lunch debts that can prevent graduation has shown that a ton of hapless people and downright monsters (sometimes both) has put way too much pressure on what was a structural compromise to begin with
     
  8. pperc

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    Any idea or data on why CDC updated return to work guidance to be 24 hours from fever vs. 72 hours?
     
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  9. Keef

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    :dubioustrump:
     
  10. Arrec Bardwin

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    My understanding was that it was still 10 days from onset of symptoms as well.

    Personally I’m still sticking to the 72 hours of no symptoms, to be safe, for our employees.
     
  11. pperc

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    yes, still 10 days from onset of symptoms. that's correct. i agree 72 hours is prudent. wondering if he or others saw new data.
     
  12. RonBurgundy

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    Haven’t heard anything nor seen any new clinical data.

    Anecdotally, a school in our city had back to school guidelines of 72 from fever (like the cdc rules) and now have changed it from 24 hours to follow cdc guidelines.

    seems a little too coincidental to change without evidence just in time for school to be back.

    reminder, cdc originally had 7 days post symptom onset as back to work rec back in March even though ALL the data said 10-14 days
     
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  13. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    This is what cringeworthy scientific messaging looks like. A yet-unproven phenomenon, stated strongly on social media in layperson language. FFS what are you doing here, Jen?



    "That pesky cold you had last winter? It might just protect you against covid19!"

    Not technically false, but "that pesky cold" was 90% likely to have been from a non-coronavirus. And we don't have solid, conclusive, replicable science that demonstrates strong lasting cross-immunity from the coronaviruses that cause the common cold. This is still very fucking theoretical, you dunce. Thanks for putting your academic credentials behind it and blasting your wet fart message to the wide universe. I'm sure it won't be misinterpreted.
     
  14. Cousin Eddie

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    The growing "Med twitter" trend has led to a lot of this and Covid has pushed it into overdrive. There is a lot of good sharing of information and ideas but a lot of dumb shit as well.
     
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  15. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    The doctor bit from Arrested development is fucking perfect.



    Too many doctors and scientists are embarrassingly awful communicators. They think the only thing that matters is what you say, not how it's interpreted.
     
  16. BWC

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    Being hailed as "first to be right" too low imo
     
  17. Henry Blake

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  18. Drew Swinney Esq

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    There are quotes here underlying the apparent reasoning. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1234883

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    DC’s explanation
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html

    It seems they are concluding that the signals picked up via PCR that far out from symptoms are not from a virus with the ability to replicate itself.

    Edit: Whoops, I think I misread the question you guys were trying to answer. Still interested in your opinions about this change as well. Essentially saying there is no need to follow a mildly symptomatic positive test case until they have a negative test, if they have become absent of symptoms.
     
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  19. pperc

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    Agreed. I’m a bit angry and will refuse to allow the mindless drones on our committee (ie doctors) to just follow cdc guidance and change to 24 hours.
    CDC is at 10 days, although our local health department is 7 and I can’t for the life of my figure out why.
     
  20. pperc

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    I’ve been telling you all about the saliva test. I also cannot figure out what the hold up is
     
  21. pperc

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    I agree with some of the guidance that a negative test is typically unnecessary and a time from symptom start based return to work criteria would generally be effective.
    What this doesn’t explain is the 72 to 24 hour from fever break change.
     
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  22. Drew Swinney Esq

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    Not sure I understand the thing last week regarding the CDC and the White House with Covid data? Does it run through their task force now? They are collecting the raw data and then the CDC tracker is updated from where? Who sees the raw data coming back from the public health departments?
     
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  23. Henry Blake

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    It bypasses the CDC and goes straight to an HHS server in DC. I'm not sure what that means for transparency (or lack of it) going forward.

    It's been months since that Rutgers test first made the news -- April (https://www.rutgers.edu/news/new-rutgers-saliva-test-coronavirus-gets-fda-approval). It's almost like we want to slow down testing.
     
  24. orangebl00d

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    duh? less tests = less cases
     
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  25. RonBurgundy

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    Yeah thanks for quotes. The issue is there hasn’t been any good data to support this change.

    10 days post infection is fine. 100% agree no need for negative retest.

    It’s just a weird arbitrary change not really spurred by new data. Most cases of Covid don’t have fever so this debate is like applying to 30% if total cases so really is a moot point, but just weird
     
  26. Drew Swinney Esq

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    Oh yes. I agree. I’m not to the level of you guys on either of your areas but I have a background that has let me follow this in the literature modestly well with the time I have. Basically I was informed enough to start paying attention once an unknown illness was sweeping Wuhan. This thread is great for the perspective. They have unpublished CDC data as sources for their first two pieces of supporting evidence, so not sure what to make of that.
     
    #6526 Drew Swinney Esq, Jul 26, 2020
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  27. pperc

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    Good point that most don’t have fever. But the ones that do and are prolonged fever are likely the ones that can continue to spread virus as they are infections outgaining the immune response checking them. Hard to use symptomotology other than fever as a substitute as many other symptoms could persist beyond the point of being infectious.
     
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  28. pperc

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    There is data if you scroll to bottom of the cdc link that I found helpful to illustrate 10 days being an inflection point. That said, even their own modeling suggests 15% are still infectious (to some degree, maybe slight) at 10 days.
     
  29. Jay Jay Okocha

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    Dr John Campbell (who I posted above the above video with) was suggesting it was amiss and thinking it was cover up. If you've been tracking the data though there was a slowdown way before the changeover. The 7 day average has completely flatlined though which does seem a bit sudden.
     
  30. Drew Swinney Esq

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    My skepticism says that hiding some fudging of the data that couldn’t be discovered down the road seems kind of hard, but idk. Is the process laid out anywhere?
     
  31. xec

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    I have an interpretation that hasn’t been mentioned yet. This is from CDC: “For most persons with COVID-19 illness, isolation and precautions can generally be discontinued 10 days after symptom onset and resolution of fever for at least 24 hours, without the use of fever-reducing medications, and with improvement of other symptoms,” the CDC says.” I bolded “and” because it provides for 2 criteria, both of which apply. There must be a 10 day period from onset of symptoms. If there is fever there must be a 24 hour wait after it breaks. So, if a person has fever on the 11th day they are not free to leave. For those with no fever the second part never kicks in. It also seems to imply that if a cough or other symptoms have not improved, they still must wait.
     
  32. pperc

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    My question, though, is why CDC moved it from 72 hours without fever to 24 hours. Literally based on zero evidence or at least none that they are sharing.
     
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  33. xec

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    I haven’t found the answer to that one yet.
     
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  34. xec

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    They aren’t concerned about fudged data being discovered after November 3.
     
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  35. Jay Jay Okocha

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    I agree. Tbh, he knows his stuff on the virus and is very informative but does make the mistake of thinking things will just get worse data wise.

    Given the testing delays and access to test, I have no doubt that a lot of positives are being missed and delayed, but at the same time the data has shown for weeks a slow down in the growth rate. That has happened in every country and region so far, that's even before they sorted out testing (whilst the US are not doing a good job given their head start in these regions, it is still a lot better than the rest of the world was at in March to late April) and contact tracing. Even if it just the most serious being tested, there is a slowdown in positive rate growth. There is definitely a factor of people (even if it is just a %) voluntarily social distancing bringing down R and likely also some form of natural immunity in the population that slows the infection right down.
     
  36. Doc Louis

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    She's taking liberties with that whole common cold is rhino virus is technically a corona virus thing. Really stupid liberties.
     
  37. infected donkey

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  40. Room 15

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    How do these things typically work? Are they going want me to live in one of these places? Or can I drive down from Asheville to Greenville and get a shot?
     
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  41. pperc

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    there will be frequent follow-ups so as long as you're comfortable driving there frequently you can do it.
     
  42. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Do you know how to sign up to see if you can participate? I submitted a questionnaire through this site a few weeks ago but I don't know if that is going to be made available for every single clinical trial.

    https://www.coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org/
     
  43. pperc

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    I haven't looked into it, sorry.
     
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  44. Room 15

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    Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it...looks like they haven't started recruiting yet. I want a damn shot.

    And now that I say this, I'm definitely getting the placebo.
     
  45. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    From what I read some of them give you either the test vaccine or a measles vaccine.
     
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  46. RonBurgundy

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    Thanks. This is apparently the vaccine trial my wife and I are thinking about enrolling in nearby through Meridian
     
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  47. Room 15

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    This one is just a saline injection it looks like
     
  48. infected donkey

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    I don't know, just relaying my 5 min of research I did but...

    He knows!