COVID-19 info thread

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  1. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Demon sperm cures endometriosis
     
  2. pperc

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    Oh please. You don’t make anything. You just do what us supreme virologist overlords tell you to do.
     
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  3. BWC

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    Not to be confused with demon spawn, which cause all the worlds problems.
     
  4. RonBurgundy

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    Jokes on you, me and the fellow lizard men running the new world order manufacture all the medications in the world out of the basement of a DC pizza place
     
  5. pperc

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    Yeah, but who holds the lease?
     
  6. IV

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    This is going to be all fun in games until the one guest here doxxes you and shows up at your house
     
  7. Room 15

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    Not gonna be hard when he puts his damn full name as his username
     
  8. One Two

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  10. Drew Swinney Esq

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    You cannot let politics into the discussion at all if you want it to even have a chance of the conversation being productive. Don’t include your politics or mention theirs. Doing that only drives them further towards their already existing misconceptions. The best chance you have of getting them to even start down a path of critical thinking on it, is only to show them how or where their understanding of the virus or what masks are used for is wrong. If you can critique the “science” or the message about the science in whatever they share back as their proof then do that, but don’t criticize the source or the political lean it has, unless you can clearly point to it being an actual fake website. You still have an uphill battle but it’s a completely fruitless endeavor if you don’t. Establish your point for that discussion and only argue it. If you get caught in the side roads they will try to take you down then you’re already losing.
     
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  11. Fuzzy Zoeller

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  12. Jax Teller

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    I'm sure I missed the discussion on this but are any of the antibody tests you can do at home accurate or worth taking?
     
  13. Doug

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    Not really 'at home' but I did go to a Quest Diagnostics to do one, and just paid for it - $120, and I was in and out in less than 10 minutes. Got results a day or so later.
     
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  14. Jax Teller

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    How accurate is that one?
     
  15. Doug

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    :idk: One of the others in here would know much better than I would.

    I had some 'at home' tests that I got through someone in politics and my mom, and I tested positive on that (my wife's was inconclusive... user error on our part I think), and my dad was negative. We all went and got the quest test, and my mom, my dad, and I were all positive, my wife was negative. We all had varying degrees of pretty mild symptoms starting a couple of days apart with my wife being the latest. So I have no idea if that helps you - but our area is being hit really hard right now so I assume it was correct for all of us, my wife I'm not sure about. She is the most exposed working in a hospital.
     
  16. Can I Spliff it

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    I'm glad you got through okay.

    You all should really, really, really consider donating a ton of plasma for the antibodies, and ask if they can freeze/store a unit or two for your wife in case she comes down with it later
     
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  17. RonBurgundy

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    Journal watch article tonight about school closures:

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769034
     
  18. Redav

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    Does this change your thinking any? I know your were a proponent of in person school. I think you mentioned spread in each community should be a big factor which makes sense to me. Maybe that is the defining metric?
     
  19. gilstein21

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    Community spread is definitely a big factor in my opinion. The county I work in had a big spike but over 50% of the cases were in an assisted living community, so the district doesn’t see the numbers as bad enough to go full virtual for now. However, the community spread numbers increasing this week may push us to virtual. I’m not as worried about my own daughter (1st grade) but my wife and I deal with 16-18 year olds.
     
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  20. Rusty Shackleford

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    How can you isolate school closures from any of the other social distancing practices that occurred.

    I guess how are they determining that correlation equals causation here?

    I could see a study like this working in areas with reopening or closing after social distancing is in effect. How does it distinguish between decreases due to working from home or restaurant closures.
     
  21. BWC

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    You can't even read an abstract?
     
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  22. RonBurgundy

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    Great question.

    No.

    this isn’t a black and white issue. It’s extremely complicated and there’s many legitimate arguments on each side. I think community by community needs to make decisions that best control Covid at the local level, and that can include school closures, and could be appropriate in areas with massive community transmission.

    the editorial associated with the article brings up some good counterpoints, so I’ll post their thoughts here too:

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769033

    The entire editorial is well written and worth your time. The answer is truly: School is so incredibly important for kids for so many reasons and closing schools will only make the rich/poor divide even greater.

    We can have a long debate about why the US Government/educational system allows such inequality and address underlying issues of childhood hunger and homelessness in America, but those conversations arent gonna produce anything in the next 12 months.
     
  23. RonBurgundy

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    To be fair, the editorial makes the same critiques about parental mobility and is worth the read as well. Its multifaceted and incredibly complicated and even more nuanced even despite the great efforts in the original paper. It’s a worthy effort and well done, but not perfect.
     
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  24. BWC

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    Sorry, I was just annoyed since the study article says it twice in the first couple paragraphs.
     
  25. Rusty Shackleford

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    “To isolate the association of school closure with outcomes, state-level nonpharmaceutical interventions and attributes were included in negative binomial regression models.”

    This is how they tried to isolate the other interventions from school closures. I am going to assume that there statistic are valid because JAMA is a respectable journal and I suck at stats. My question is how do we assign values to the different types of interventions when they are trying to model their effect?

    “Models were used to derive the estimated absolute differences between schools that closed and schools that remained open as well as the number of cases and deaths if states had closed schools when the cumulative incidence of COVID-19 was in the lowest quartile compared with the highest quartile.

    The bolded is the only part addressed in the results. Just my opinion it is the only relevant findings from a quick glance at the article.

    I don’t think anyone is arguing that social distancing factors decreased the incidence of the disease. I do think it is almost impossible to isolate school closures effects out of the current information that we have in the US. It may be possible in other countries where schools can be separated from the other variables.

    I don’t fault the authors for trying but I don’t think this should change policy.
     
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  26. BWC

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    I apologize for my reply, but the authors state repeatedly that there are limitations and confounding factors involved from the very top of the manuscript.

    A single study, especially one based on modeling, should not drive policy on its own, but it should contribute to the body of peer-reviewed information that drives policy.
     
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  27. Jay Jay Okocha

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    Do you not think it would be better for the Federal Government to set standards for reopening (not that they’ll be bothered with Trump in charge)?

    In my view it gives too much political cover otherwise.

    I have the same view on global travel. The issue has become too political and not on the basis of science and pandemic control. The EU have some good guidelines on “green list” countries but already some countries have deviated from it.
     
  28. Lyrtch

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    there are federal standards for reopening, they're somewhat vague but they released some
     
  29. Sammy Meatballs

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    My office is blood testing everyone. If they’re positive, they’re sending them for a nasal swab. If they’re negative, they go back to work.

    This is absolutely fucking backwards isn’t it? Why would someone with the antibodies need to go get a nasal swab? And the people who are negative on the blood test has no bearing on whether they could be currently infected correct?
     
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  30. Illinihockey

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    that makes no sense at all. If anything positive antibody test means they can go back to work possibly
     
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  31. Room 15

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    Couldn’t you theoretically have antibodies and still be contagious?
     
  32. Can I Spliff it

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    Oh definitely, for like a week after symptoms go away
     
  33. pperc

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    that makes no sense.
     
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  34. pperc

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    eh, probably not. more like you can be infectious for a week to two weeks before you get antibodies.
     
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  35. Chipper>Jeter

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    Your company must be in a good position to throw money away right now.
     
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  36. RonBurgundy

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    lmbo
     
  37. Sammy Meatballs

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    As I expected, my boss is remarkably stupid, greedy or both.

    Just glad to know that I’m not losing my mind. Thanks guys.
     
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  38. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Employers are just pulling their own testing policies out of their assholes. Everyone's a doctor now.
     
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  39. Marbles

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    Miss the days when the only medical information we'd get was in the 90's when Tom Brokaw would tell about a new study from the American Heart Association saying that eggs were bad for you due to cholesterol on the nightly news.
     
  40. xec

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    The IHME model projection was updated last night. The last projection was 219,000+ deaths by 11/1. The new projection for 11/1 is 230,000+. I still do not know if their model includes the impact of school reopenings.
     
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  41. Jax Teller

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    Just got tested. Not sure if they went deep enough or it just wasn't as bad as I thought. Did make my eyes water though.
     
  42. Jax Teller

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    pperc RonBurgundy xec are they still supposed to tickle your brain with these tests or do they not have to go as far back? Paperwork says it was the RT PCR test. Definitely made my eyes water and they did both nostrils and held it in each for a few seconds. But didn't seem as bad as I was expecting.
     
  43. Jax Teller

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  45. Jax Teller

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    Yea big difference between water flowing through one to kill stuff and air flowing through your hvac system.
     
  46. xec

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    I asked the UDOH about PCR swabbing that doesn’t go to the back of the nostril. Here is the response: “The standard is a full swab for the most accurate results. You can ask a testing site about the different swab but go with the standard.”
     
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  47. Jax Teller

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    I've never even had a flu test so I'm not sure how far it should have went. It was definitely farther than I would have been able to do myself. Hopefully it was a good sample and I get the results in 3 to 4 days.
     
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  48. Jax Teller

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    Haven't really had symptoms that would cause concern. Had an itchy throat for a day or two and have been extremely fatigued this week. Both can easily caused by my allergies going haywire and trying to do too much in this heat. But Nashville is testing any city residents for free and the testing site was right down the road. Almost no line when we went, took maybe 30 min from the point we filled out the initial questionnaire to being done.
     
  49. DeToxRox

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  50. RonBurgundy

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    Mid nose is seemingly happening instead of all the way back but standard is all the way. You’d know the difference.
     
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