COVID-19 info thread

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  1. One Two

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    I know a few folks that cancelled their weddings, instead did a very small ceremony (like immediate family only, less than 20 folks and only the ceremony/vows) and courthouse stuff and are planning on having a big reception celebration that is TBD.
     
  2. Lyrtch

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    and these are the circumstances i'm kind of referencing in the push the envelope path, I didn't think any tmb'er really getting the shotgun wedding push tbh with our average ages now, wifes grandfather couldn't make ours due to ill health but got to video chat in a couple times during the day to be included in the different events and died maybe six months later. not real religious or traditional so it wasn't a big deal on that end, but was cool he got included.

    tough situation to be in obviously with no real right answer. weighing shit like "likely much better wedding experience" vs "make sure grandmas get to see it" is impossible.
     
  3. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Fair point. We don't know. I'm optimistic things will, for one reason or another, look a lot better a year from now. But you're right there's no certainty.

    I would also add a disclaimer to your invites or website. You are taking a risk, despite whatever mitigation strategies you employ, that your wedding may well be a source of virus spread to guests. And as such you are inviting family and friends to take a risk with not only their health, but the health of their families as well. I would disclaim that you would whole heartedly understand if people did not feel comfortable coming to your wedding amidst a pandemic. A lot of people will feel afraid of disappointing you, and you need to try to take that element away as best you can
     
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  4. tjosu

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    This is the alternative that I’d like to see if we do postpone. That presents a few annoyances in itself because my brothers both have a million kids, but still something small. She got to the point where she was ready to elope but we’re not sure that we can get to or do what we’d like in Hawaii so also exploring alternatives like that
     
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  5. tjosu

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    Yep, we’ve updated the website and been contacting people to make it clear that we would not be offended in any way if they choose to not attend. Cooler heads coming through, I think we’re both leaning towards postponing now. The big kicker for me is like what you said, people will have to have their guard up the entire night, and we will have some people in attendance that are not concerned at all with the current environment so making those that are concerned feel comfortable is a struggle
     
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  6. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Right. The idea is to make comfortable people concerned and help concerned people somehow feel comfortable. I don't know which one is more impossible.
     
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  7. pperc

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    the hope is the outpatient arm won't be hampered by the convalescent plasma approval
     
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  8. pperc

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    i am with xec. I would decline.
     
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  9. pperc

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    I do. Experts do. Give it 9 months. Try and trust science. We'll have a vaccine (not that people will get it) and we'll be much more ahead with other therapeutic approaches.
     
  10. tjosu

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    I definitely trust science and the experts, I have little faith in us commoners
     
  11. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    From what I've seen in our healthcare community, no one's jumping on that EUS for CP. I think it's a non-factor. Political window dressing, IMO
     
  12. pperc

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    some worry amongst Regeneron/GSK/Vir that it would get used in patient and fuck up that study
     
  13. RonBurgundy

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    No one at our org is using/allowed to use convalescent plasma outpatient. We’re one of Regeneron’s sites so fingers crossed they got it right.
     
  14. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Do you have an idea of the cost of getting a treatment of monoclonal antibodies? You mentioned you're starting outpatient procedures of this so I'm assuming it's cheaper than being laid up in the hospital and getting plasma treatment or a blood transfusion. Do most health insurance companies cover this or is it too new and experimental?
     
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  15. Stagger Lee

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    tjosu Have you considered having a small, private ceremony and then throwing a big party next year? That's what a lot of people I know are doing.
     
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  16. tjosu

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    Yep, we’re looking at options for that as well. We’re more leaning towards postponing so now the decision is if we get married this year or not
     
  17. AptosDuck

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    Get married now so you're not living in sin

    Back in the early 90's wife and I lived together for three years before getting married. Her grandparents wouldn't talk to her until they knew we were engaged, because getting the milk without buying the cow or something old and quaint like that
     
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  18. billdozer

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    And get to file jointly
     
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  19. Marbles

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    Is this the same girl that got mad at your during the dump hooker thing.
     
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  20. tjosu

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    I’m a tax guy, this has been in the pros column from the start
     
  21. tjosu

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    I don’t think that was me
     
  22. Marbles

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    I may be mistaken. Apologies.
     
  23. RonBurgundy

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    100% of study related costs, including clinic visits, drugs will be provided and patients may be paid for their time.

    there’s also an arm for household contacts exposed to a positive family member for prophylaxis. Will probably use for my olds
     
  24. Degausser

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    You're thinking about osuagr
     
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  25. Marbles

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    Yeah. Thats right. Knew it was an OSU guy. Just got it mixed up.
     
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  26. IV

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    I really wish my brother would have canceled his, I was not able to be there with a newborn
     
  27. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Right, sorry I'm not asking specifically about this trial your clinic is doing, but an idea of what this may cost once it's approved for general use. Just wondering if this kind of technology being new (possibly not covered by health insurance) would bankrupt patients that have high deductibles.
     
  28. texasraider

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    Also if you get married at the courthouse, you could easily end up saving a lot of money if you never get around to having a party down the road
     
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  29. pperc

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    monoclonal antibodies aren't new. been around a long time. that said, they are generally pretty expensive and much more expensive to manufacture than small molecules that get put into pills. these are delivered by either IV or sub-cutaneously. health insurance will cover it (not commenting on high deductibles, etc. - but if patients WITH insurance are bankrupted then, well, you know how I feel about how fucking corrupt health insurance has become).
     
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  31. slogan119

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  32. One Two

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  35. Redav

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    :doge:
     
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  36. AUShyGuy

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    Mostly under 40, mostly men, no control, no placebo, tracked for 42 days
     
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  37. Uncle Tupelo

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    Just got back from my trial appt. I can't disclose a bunch but a few thoughts:

    - The nasal swab sucks ass. Worst part of the appt.
    - In comparison, the shot itself was quick and painless
    - The physician said they are stopping enrollments at their site next week, and Pfizer believes they will have their 30k benchmark hit by mid-late Sept.
     
  38. Room 15

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    I’ll add you to the PM chain where we discuss all the dirty details that these peons aren’t allowed to hear
     
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  39. Room 15

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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764?via=ihub


    Results
    Of 50 patients treated with calcifediol, one required admission to the ICU (2%), while of 26 untreated patients, 13 required admission (50%) p value X2 Fischer test p < 0.001. Univariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment versus without Calcifediol treatment: 0.02 (95%CI 0.002-0.17). Multivariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment vs Without Calcifediol treatment ICU (adjusting by Hypertension and T2DM): 0.03 (95%CI: 0.003-0.25). Of the patients treated with calcifediol, none died, and all were discharged, without complications. The 13 patients not treated with calcifediol, who were not admitted to the ICU, were discharged. Of the 13 patients admitted to the ICU, two died and the remaining 11 were discharged.
     
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  40. One Two

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    Its going to be wild if Vitamin fucking D actually turns out to be one of the best treatment courses
     
  41. Room 15

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    Rhonda and I have been trying to tell y'all
     
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  42. Bricktop the white

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    I'll have been legally married for almost 2 years by the time we actually get to have our wedding thanks to covid and football season
     
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  43. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    I'm glad to see a collective agreement among vaccine manufacturers to not seek or accept FDA EU authorization before adequate safety/efficacy data are obtained. I hope they put their money where their mouths are.

    Bigger point:
    :siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:
    The safety of a potential mass novel vaccine rollout is effectively completely left to the honor system of private companies right now.

    The FDA functionally does not exist in the most critical time for their existence ever.

    This is a very, very bad thing.
     
  44. IV

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    How can anyone besides Donald J. Trump be blamed for this
     
  45. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    The framers of the constitution and a limp dick congress that's afforded the executive branch the powers to do it.
     
  46. THF

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    This is disappointing.

     
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  47. IV

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    Not great
     
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  48. One Two

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    Any details?