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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by TrustyPatches, Mar 15, 2020.
Sorry to hear that, Ron. Hope your wife gets to feeling better soon.
Sorry to hear that, hope she recovers well and soon
Cotdammit! Any idea where she was exposed? What is your own risk that you have been exposed?
Thanks for Ts and Ps (I’m team God, ftr). She rebounded this AM, but last night sats at 90% and looking like shit was terrifying. At 99% this AM. From what I hear from a lot of patients they have not bad days and shitty days, last night is hopefully one of the worst. She’s going to do the consent paperwork now for the trial.
Exposure wise, I’m seeing Covid positive every day in clinic because our state has its highest surge right now, but my self swab was negative and I’m asymptomatic. I wear full n95 and face shield + gown/gloves but you never know. I’ll probably get it from her before I ever get it from a patient, but again you never know.
my 7 yo might be patient 0, he has regular old cold like symptoms but is completely fine. Other kids totally normal. They do school in person with mandatory masks all the time.
So good to hear! Continued T&Ps for a speedy recovery...
Also, probably not swabbing my 7 yo because that shit is torture and it doesn’t really matter. We already notified school and he’s out 14 days regardless. Makes me think about How easy it is to undercount cases especially under 10 yo when they have mild symptoms only.
not to delve too deeply into your home, but how TF do you even manage that? Been running similar situation through my brain pretty much daily. But having one or more kids at home, parent in quarantine, and you bustin' balls at covid clinic everyday?
Man IDK how my household would/will manage that
I decided to take PTO and do short term disability until she's feeling better. My plan before shit went south was to keep working, and just do as much pre and post work as possible. My 4 year old literally won't/can't stay away from her, so we aren't even trying. The older ones I'm pretty much trying to parent solo. Help with homework at night, etc.
daily cases starting to cool off in the Dakotas yet?
glad to hear the wife's doing better
This is where the convergence of not being able to trust a test, people (especially kids) being potential asymptomatic spreaders, and the relatively long length of time an infected patient is contagious drives me insane. Your neg test is essentially useless. You should be assuming you are infected, correct?
But suppose no one else in your house is currently infected. And suppose one of the kids becomes infected 5 days from now, but is totally asymptomatic. Then 6 days later spreads it to another one of the kids. Then 3 days after that, that kid spread's it to you. Now you are 2 weeks out from your wife's initial infection and you are just now being infected, and wont show symptoms for another 3-14 days, if you show symptoms at all??
It's relatively easy for a single person or a couple to isolate and not spread it much, but how are families or multi-generational homes supposed to navigate that in a safe, responsible way?? no one wants to send + kids or people out into the general public, but that scenario where they infect eachother at different times seems completely plausible, right? And even if all the people test (-), that's not supposed to hold much weight, right? So it's not like you can draw a line and say ok, from this point forward we are at least safe and unexposed within our own home.
I'm not being critical of any particular regulation or rule or whatever, it's just crazy.
Nope 3rd highest total ever I think today.
Hospitals all full, governor doing victory laps on Fox News.
If you have a known exposure, assume you are positive and isolate until your test comes back negative. If you don’t have a known exposure, continue to do the things to minimize your chances of catching when out in public. If you have kids going to in-person schooling, they’ll blow all of that up and you’re kind of fucked.
Yeah my negative test is useless. Did it because I have free access to tests at work especially since I just self swab myself. Was more curious if I spread it to her or she got it somewhere else.
I don’t need some fancy East cost doctor telling me how to live - America probably
The lady friend's hospital gets 60 tests a week from the state. They ran out this week on Tuesday. I'm like are we back in fucking March? How does this happen at this point.
That sucks sorry to hear that
How have you been feeling? Are you still getting winded?
The CDC guidelines say to isolate 14 days after exposure, regardless of a neg test.
I asked why that was a couple days ago, because it didn't make sense to me, if you test neg, I'd think that gives you reasonable confidence that you are not infected starting at that point. But apparently not, because we can't rely on the test results......
Still winded and having having a lot of chest congestion. I spent most of last weekend resting because I hit a wall on Friday. The most bothersome thing I am dealing with right now is my short term memory seems to have vanished.
Did you do the nasal swab with kids? My kids doctor swabbed their throat. I wondered if that made a difference from what you have seen or read about.
The reason for the 14 days is twofold - 1) false negatives exist and 2) if your exposure was recent enough, you could test negative in between that exposure and eventually developing the disease. (A third reason could be that if the exposure is a family member under the same roof, you most likely aren’t going to really be able to isolate from them and your negative tests are never going to mean anything as long as they have the disease.) The 14 day isolation independent of testing solves those problems. But it’s also a very heavy burden on people.
Yeah. Throat swabs not recommended at all. Nasal or nasopharyngeal.
When I got my middle child tested the wife and I argued about this. Thank you for this information. I will enjoy being on the right side of this one here. I am not trying to sleep on the coach when I tell her Ron Burgundy MD said she was wrong
What is the thought in how long between exposure and being contagious?
Ron how is the wife and family doing?
Wife now completely normal. I am positive, oldest is probably positive (not tested but has fevers). Middle with URI symptoms now better. Youngest unaffected.
Damn man hope you and the oldest get through this with a mild case. Glad to hear the wife is good.
I’m quarantining awaiting results. Guess we’ll figure out how good my placebo was.
Nope. I mean if I was being really critical my throat has been scratchy at times but I also live with 6 animals and fall is starting. No fever.
husband and wife I ate dinner with last week both are positive. I could’ve gotten lucky with timing, gotten the real vaccine, or have incredible vitamin D levels.
The best vitamin D levels. Many people are saying that
Negative. Back to the grind.
I’m sidelined for another week. Meanwhile our state has never been higher cases per day, hospitals are completely packed full, and I’m stuck here at home. Fucking sucks. Fuck Covid. My partners are drowning in work and I can’t help. Sucks.
pperc rolling out the flu/Covid/rsv cartridges next week at the clinic. Super excited
Quarantining is such a shitty feeling. Makes you feel like a helpless human
there is no end to GOP governor or legislator doubling down capacity.
Wisconsin is a covid inferno, and they won't stop repealing any and all covid protections they can find.
MN doing all it can to not become just like its neighbors on all sides, but our GOP led legislature is trying to sue Gov. Walz over absolutely everything.
Meanwhile, in AZ, new case rates drop 75% after state mandated masking and bar closures.
about that time!
Smart people, my buddy's kid tested positive at his school. No symptoms. Rest of family all get tested and they're neg. He reaches out to lab they said all 3 alleles tested showed + so unlikely a false +. Does that explanation sound legit?
False positives are rare compared to false negatives
basically they tested 3 different viral sequences and all were +. I think very likely the kid is +. Maybe an early positive. The other family members likely just haven't had a chance to become + yet.
Kid is the son of a MD I work with and goes to a prestigious private school. They have a John's Hopkins ID MD handling the schools COVID policies. His statement was the family likely already had it and the kid was the last to get it and was just getting over it.
then antibody test the family. they should be sero-positive.
Hey guys, did you see this? Thoughts?
Was posted before. Super spreader theory absolutely gains more credence. Other studies in other countries found more intra family spread than "to similar age" spread. Wonder if that is a product of Indian households and society vs European/Chinese/etc households and society.
Assuming all of this testing happened in the last 24-36 hours, the other family members should get tested again Friday or Saturday. Unless one or more begin showing symptoms before then.
All all happened 2 weeks ago. Just heard the explanation of the test results about the alleles and hadn't heard anything like that before.
In that case there is no need for further covid DNA testing at this time. Antibody testing at some point would be informative for them.
I agree. I was asking about the testing method and the alleles though.