COVID-19 info thread

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  1. pperc

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  2. Duval

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  3. pperc

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    this asshole tested himself for antibodies.... this guy is really, really dumb.
     
  4. goblue31602

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    Yes and they have been buying a ton of palletizing dry ice machines, which is what will be needed for transport.
     
  5. RonBurgundy

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  6. Uncle Tupelo

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    Fuck this guy. Testing yourself for antibodies fucks the study. They tell you this (at least I was told), when you sign up.
     
  7. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    yeah I'm hoping so too.
     
  8. Jay Jay Okocha

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...-50m?page=with:block-5fa944248f0870a6e75faf8c

    Sir John Bell, a regis professor of medicine at Oxford University who sits on the UK’s vaccine taskforce, has said he believes “with some confidence” that life should return to normal by spring next year following the Pfizer/BioNTech announcement.

    Bell is one of the UK’s leading experts on this topic, so his prediction carries significant weight – not just for the UK but for other countries, too.

    Bell said he was “really delighted” with the news and described the vaccine’s preliminary efficacy of 90% as “amazing”. He said there would be distribution challenges but that these were not insurmountable.

    It was likely that “more than one” vaccine would be rolled out in the UK by the end of the year or early next year, he said. “It rolls the pitch for other vaccines because I can’t see any reason now why we shouldn’t have a handful of good vaccines available. It’s a major step.”

    On BBC Radio 4’s World at One, the presenter, Sarah Montague, asked Bell if the vaccine meant that life should be returning to normal by spring.

    Bell answered: “Yes, yes, yes. I’m probably the first guy to say that but I will say that with some confidence.”

    “That’s fabulous news,” said Montague. It certainly is.


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  9. BWC

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    100% doing it for self-promotion purposes as well. Sickening. Grifting off a fucking virus trial...

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  10. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Spring? Fuck outta here.

    We don't even know what "efficacy" is referred to. From the press release, it says "90% efficacy in preventing symptomatic infection." Without their data, we don't actually know what that means, but the wording hints that it might not confer "immunity" sufficient to prevent transmission. Also still don't know to what degree it will prevent severe infection or death. Can't just apply transitive property and say "well it reduced symptoms in healthy individuals therefore it confers immunity and prevents death too"

    THEN there's the fact that this shit needs to be transported and stored at temps like the surface of Neptune.

    THEN you've got the fact that 50% of Americans are absolute dipshits and won't even take it. This vaccine won't cure the idiot pandemic.

    Don't see how this Spring is gonna be different really at all accept that our healthcare system will still be strained beyond capacity and more people will be disabled and dying from other preventable diseases.
     
  11. BWC

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    This is super irresponsible unless he's seen the data.
     
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  12. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Some conflict of interest sirens are going off
     
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  13. BWC

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    Bingo boingo
     
  14. Drew Swinney Esq

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    Fauci expects an EUA application once they are 2 months post booster administration later this month.

    Would we expect any data released before then?
     
  15. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    such a refreshing weekend reveling in the news of the Biden win, haven't really checked the MN numbers last couple of days let's go take a look and see how things are go...
     
  16. THF

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    Health care workers and military will get the first one in my opinion.
     
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  17. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Yeah as much as I've casually mentioned about the trial, I haven't done that and the informed consent was pretty clear urging us not to get tested.
     
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  18. RonBurgundy

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    With the amount of money to be gained from this vaccine, there will be nothing I am more skeptical about until I see the data myself. Pharmaceutical companies are wizards at self promoting data and missing big picture stuff.

    but please oh please let this be real.
     
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    We know the trial design and pre-specified endpoints, so we do know what efficacy means in this context. They were measuring whether placebo vs. vaccine got symptoms and then whether they were +/- for Covid. It wasn't testing patients who were asymptomatic for Covid.

    All of your questions are valid.

    Cold chain is common for many vaccines. We can deal with it in the 1st world. 3rd world is problematic.
     
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  20. pperc

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    what is this replying to?
     
  21. pperc

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    safety data
     
  22. pperc

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    90% is a benchmark they didn't need to lie about (nor would they). that number alone gets me pretty excited. i'm less of a skeptic, generally, though.
     
  23. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Basically where i'm at as dumber guy than you two. The huge amount of chaos Pfizer, or any other big company, could create by fudging numbers and spinning this when it turns out to not be as effective could be enormous. They know how much polling has been done regarding people's skepticism of a rushed vaccine under Trump, a lot of us are rightly skeptical and not just anti-vaxxers.
     
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  24. BWC

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    The comments from the Oxford prof on the UK task force
     
  25. pperc

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    can you post them, i haven't read them yet
     
  26. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    I wonder if teachers will get any priority after the obvious groups that need it first.
     
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  27. BWC

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    Jay Jay Okocha posted them:

     
  28. Redav

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    Teachers should be right after healthcare workers and the elderly imo
     
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  29. wes tegg

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    I found out that a client I met with last Monday has it, so I’m getting tested today. It is absolutely slammed and I’ve seen 50+ people get turned away because the clinic has hit its max number of tests for the day.
     
  30. Drew Swinney Esq

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    Yes, but in terms of people wanting to see data behind the 90% I’m not sure there will be anything released prior to the EUA filing which is pending the safety data.
     
  31. pperc

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    he's bigly blocked so can't see what you quoted
     
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  32. pperc

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    given we know the endpoint and trial design you can approximate what the data looks like in terms of events in each arm. i expect they will release more details before EUA.
     
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  35. RonBurgundy

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    The wonderful thing about the 90% efficacy is only ~60-70% of the population has to take the vaccine to get herd immunity with the R0 of 2.5 ish.
     
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  36. wes tegg

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    Negative.
     
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  37. BWC

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    Third time's the charm haha

     
  38. RonBurgundy

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    Also the number of people on reddit claiming to have been in the trial, experiencing flu like symptoms and then TESTING THEMSELVES FOR ANTIBODIES is fucking mind boggling.

    STOP FUCKING UP THE TRIAL
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...-50m?page=with:block-5fa944248f0870a6e75faf8c

    Sir John Bell, a regis professor of medicine at Oxford University who sits on the UK’s vaccine taskforce, has said he believes “with some confidence” that life should return to normal by spring next year following the Pfizer/BioNTech announcement.

    Bell is one of the UK’s leading experts on this topic, so his prediction carries significant weight – not just for the UK but for other countries, too.

    Bell said he was “really delighted” with the news and described the vaccine’s preliminary efficacy of 90% as “amazing”. He said there would be distribution challenges but that these were not insurmountable.

    It was likely that “more than one” vaccine would be rolled out in the UK by the end of the year or early next year, he said. “It rolls the pitch for other vaccines because I can’t see any reason now why we shouldn’t have a handful of good vaccines available. It’s a major step.”

    On BBC Radio 4’s World at One, the presenter, Sarah Montague, asked Bell if the vaccine meant that life should be returning to normal by spring.

    Bell answered: “Yes, yes, yes. I’m probably the first guy to say that but I will say that with some confidence.”

    “That’s fabulous news,” said Montague. It certainly is.


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    Well shit, so much for trying to be helpful to someone who’s always helping.
     
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  40. buckwild

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    Makes me not even believe their flu symptoms...people that obviously want to be "look at me" about the whole thing instead of a normal participant.
     
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  41. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    There are physicians ordering antibody tests for people because they're in a trial and want to know what arm they're in.

    For fucking fuck's fucking sake FFS
     
  42. pperc

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    that 90% may not translate directly to transmission. we don't know that yet.
     
  43. pperc

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    you got a rapid antigen test without symptoms? that's not really indicated. RonBurgundy isn't that not recommended by physicians? here they aren't doing rapid antigen for asymptomatics.
     
  44. pperc

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    John Bell is legit, thanks
     
  45. BWC

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    I don't doubt that one bit. But he comes across as a salesman more than a scientist in those quotes. I sure hope he's spot-on.
     
  46. RonBurgundy

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    Very true. Also I’m not sure they have any high risk/older adults in that cohort. That’s the subgroup I care about symptomatic infections.

    being honest though, if we could make 90% of 18-65 yo asymptomatic, it would reduce the healthcare burden so substantially that we’d be in so much better of a spot
     
  47. wes tegg

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    Yes. Do I need to get a lab test, too?
     
  48. RonBurgundy

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    Per our org’s distribution plans, I’ll be in the second wave to get this vaccine, Hope is by Jan 15. I know nobody cares but I just need somewhere to humble brag about getting my 5g implant somewhere.
     
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  49. pperc

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    i would say PCR test is more reliable
     
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  50. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    "possibly early December" here you must not have hit the platinum level for pfizer brand prescriptions written in the last year
     
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