Maybe I misspoke, this paper seemed to indicate that protests where in some cases, 100,000 individuals participated, did not lead to statistical increases in Covid 19 cases. https://cdn2.lamag.com/wp-content/u...hollywood-protest-samuel-braslow-1068x712.jpg Therefore I would assume, if this type of activity can happen without increasing Covid cases, I would think there would be a way to conduct football practice safely?
COVID has made me realize there are millions of Americans that desperately need to have the shit beaten out of them
You would assume that walking outside while masked among other masked people is as safe as conducting a legitimate football practice? I think that’s a wildly false assumption.
This is the result of my summarizing, you completely miss the point I am making. This has nothing to do with the basis for the activity, I am speaking about the activity alone. If a mass gathering was able to be done safely as most understood the BLM protests to have been conducted, I would believe similar practices could be utilized for football practice.
Because one is a job and the other are students One has the infrastructure to put teams in a bubble in Florida for months and the other relies on 18-year-old labor both on the field and off the field (trainers, equipment staff, etc) One has people making six-figures and the other consists of threatening predominantly poor kids with losing their only chance of getting out of the hood if they don't put their bodies on the line for your entertainment College sports are COLLEGE sports
One thing I don't think I've seen touched on (sorry if you said it Andy Reocho) but it can't just be football coming back, that would be a Title IX violation. We really making a bubble in Boise for Mountain West volleyball too?
Would you agree that collegiate coaching staffs in a lot of cases have the ability to exercise an authoritarian style of leadership, requiring curfews, team dining, strict adherence to team rules? In looking at the situations I would tend to believe in a lot of cases collegiate teams operate a lot less as a democracy and along the lines of a dictatorship where the coaching staff and HC makes all the decisions. In these cases, I would assume it would be easier to control and protect those student athletes from outside risks. I think it would be possible at least to create policies and processes which could create a safe environment. I actually think professional teams would lack this style of leadership and authority and this could lead to an environment with more risk as we are seeing with the PGA. Just my two cents. Feel free to blast away.
Construct a camp at Sul Ross State University and have them sequestered there. They’d have a great time.
Not very long. It’s just hitting the shift button on alternate letters. I’m on a phone so typing isn’t going to be super fast either way. Spongebob text is the best way to convey drooling moron speak via a screen.
Wait you think what you typed is a good thing? Are they...like...not going to live on campus or go to class?
1. Final numbers aren’t in 2. Comparing marching for racial justice and stopping police executions is a bit different than watching a football game. Even if the risk is the same, the benefit side of that equation is very different.
Honest to God THF's ideal solution is probably the players are kept in a chained shut locker room between games
There is a risk with both. That risk might be similar. You are dismissing the oceans of difference in the potential benefits of the different actions.
I'm sure you can't see this, but you're just another thin-skinned lightweight who, instead of engaging substantively or acknowledging introduction of a fact-based argument in opposition to yours, just resorts to ad-hominem "simp" attacks and using weird internet humor. CaPiTaLiZiNg aNd uNcApItAlIZiNg letters and say "fuck" repeatedly doesn't make you smart or witty, it means you have nothing to say. The really short answer is that I don't see sports returning as any higher risk to those involved than the millions of Americans already going back to work. You spend more time critiquing language and argument form than actually addressing the issues at hand. Like, there's only so many words in the English language. I'm sure at times I might sound like Shapiro, Robespierre, or Obama. Since when did constructing a logical thought become synonymous with a racist asshole like Shapiro? Look man - that may have been hyperbolic, but not one of you has the self-discipline to simply admit that the long-term effects of COVID as an arrow in the "Shut everything down" quiver is weak as hell. I pointed it out and people lost their fucking minds I know you think you're helping but stop. That guy should not lose his job, it would be really fucked up.
From a perspective of creating a safe environment, yes I would think the authoritarian style could be more effective in protecting the student athletes. Do you disagree?
I didn’t as no one seems to care to discuss that part of it, compared to football. But you are spot on.
I am in no way suggesting anyone lose their job or be forced to do anything they are not comfortable, so if I did a poor job in communicating, I apologize and apologize to Reocho. That wasn't my intent, my intent was to demonstrate no one is being forced to do anything. If my job required me to be on-site in an unsafe situation, I would simply evaluate my options for finding employment elsewhere.
So you want to have a group of mostly black men You want to put them under authoritarian rule regarding where they can go and what they can do You want them to put themselves in danger by working for your entertainment And you want them to not be paid This is sounding familiar but I can't put my finger on it
Well that is definitely one option in looking at it, and revolting to say the least. The scenario I described was one I saw play out every year during fall practice for most teams I covered, where most activities were structured and controlled in every aspect in preparation for the upcoming season. This included meals, workout schedules, class schedules, and in most cases after hours activities. I am not proposing anything new but rather due to the enhanced risk to the athlete, providing additional protections. I am not proposing anything new. I am saying the situations present on college campuses when playing under people like Saban, Urban, etc would be easier to protect the students than we saw with the PGA, MLB, or NFL. Again, this would require any player to voluntarily sign on to this in exchange for the opportunity to play. Any players who did not feel comfortable in this situation would be free to sit out without any penalty.
You use rhetoric to make it seem like you're correct while not addressing content. As in pointing to your emotional state as indicative of your case being better because you're presenting yourself as calm. It's debate bro nonsense and I'll always point it out.
OK so do they go to class? Do they take flights to games? Do the people who cook the meals have to stay in this bubble without their families for 3 months? Why are we locking up college kids for four months for our entertainment?
I think this is the fundamental gap from where we look at this differently and I doubt either of us will be able to see things from the others' perspective unfortunately. You look at it from the perspective of "what all are we going to force kids to do so they can be on tv?" I look at it as "What would have to be done to protect the students if they wanted to play? What would they have to agree to do in order to ensure its safe to play?" I think it would be worth having the conversation and I appreciate your willingness to discuss the topic rationally and calmly, to see if there is a method where kids will feel protected, AND have the opportunity to play. I know if I loved doing something which created inherit risk and loved doing it at the level SOME of these kids do, I would be willing to make 100s of sacrifices to have the opportunity to do what I loved. I would also think it would be unfair for people to sit on the sidelines and tell me its difficult to do it safely so why even try? Again, just my two cents.
Everyone on this board thinks, assumes, and talks like they’re correct, including you my man Yes - I do think people caught up in their feelings and resorting to name calling are typically in a weaker position, wouldn’t characterize it as debate bro nonsense
People are frustrated with you because a) you've been spouting this talking point for months without taking into account the changing external factors b) your insistence that factors beyond the college students, from the other non-college students involved to the economic differences at the player level between pro or college, don't count and c) your consistent mislabeling of "whatabout" arguments. My conclusion, and the conclusion of many people who are or seem enraged about talking to you, is that you don't give a shit about anything except watching college football in the fall. That nothing else matters. If you believe that, fine. I don't agree with it at all but I would respect the forthrightness. But yeah, this isn't the first day of this particular back-and-forth with you. That's why I want to hurl machetes at you right now.
Que?? I did say yesterday I would triggered if football was canceled, but don’t remember saying something like that. Doc me though, idk I hear ya, I don’t believe nothing else matters and there are certainly scenarios where I would support cancellation of the season. I do legitimately believe what I’m saying about risk profiles and certain people making this an emotional argument as well as certain folks misapplying some kind of labor angle to all of this when its really a question of the virus and how this could affect collective health of people. It’s not a mask for some deeper, darker, more grotesque POV. I’m frustrated I’m not getting more traction with people ITT to be honest. I’m done for the day, wouldn’t know myself but this must be like what a pornstar feels like after a gang bang. Probably not tomorrow but I’ll be back for more
Self-discipline? What in the world does that have to do with the topic at hand? This entire paragraph just looks like a buzzword madlib. In the midst of a global pandemic, I start from a baseline of zero, and I use a risk vs reward scale. The only relevant question to ask, for me, is “is it safe to do x activity considering the consequences?” When the activity is college football, the current knowledge of short term and long term affects of COVID-19 do not give me confidence that the activity is an acceptable risk.
I'm wondering what this would be. From a player standpoint, let's say 0.2 percent of college-aged kids with similar profiles of college football players (size, racial composition, etc.) die from this. There are roughly 120 players on a college football team. Some might have less, but student trainers can be thrown into the equation to average out to about 120. Let's be conservative and say that a third of the students in that high-contact environment (40 per team) get the virus. There are 130 FBS teams (much less FCS, D-II and D-III). So about 5,200 FBS student athletes or trainers would be infected. Using the 0.2 percent, 10 would die in FBS of covid. Would that be acceptable to you? If so, what number would be unacceptable? This doesn't factor in the increased risks to coaches (due to age, health conditions, etc.) or possible long-term effects to non-deceased patients (more on that later). Problem here is we don't know one way or another how long-reaching this is. I had a conversation with a doctor buddy in Austin who was telling me how beat up some of the lungs of Covid patients (younger than 40) were. Would that happen to these athletes? Are they more at risk for higher doses of the vaccine due to the frequent contact that comes with playing football? We don't know. Maybe it's ultimately not a big deal, but we have no way of knowing one way or the other. This is a completely new disease and scientists/doctors are learning as they go. Therefore, I believe caution is best until we know more about what we're facing. Well, yeah. This is something that's impacting all facets of life right now. It's going to stir emotions. I think having no emotions toward it is more incriminating than vice versa. And an argument stated in emotion isn't automatically wrong, nor is an even-tempered argument automatically right. That's just a copout to try to dismiss content you don't want to hear. The labor angle/compensation of college athletes is a factor in all aspects of college athletics. It's a factor in ideal conditions. The compensation (or lack of it) when asked to do something beyond normal risk has highlighted it even more. It's an inescapable part of the discussion of college sports. It's always going to be there. You're not gaining any traction because you are looking at this with tunnel vision. In fact, I would guess you've lost traction. It's an extremely complicated thing you're trying to make extremely simple, then you wonder why people aren't buying in. We realize that college athletes have less risk than most, but college athletes aren't the only ones that are affected and we don't know if getting it now causes problems later. You only take the information that is typed before the comma of the previous sentence and act like the rest doesn't exist. That doesn't make for good discussion, much less get you "traction" I'm sure you will. And I'm sure everything I typed will be lost on you.
Seems like pros might work if they're in a bubble for a few months. Nobody in or out. Small price to pay (if it's safe) to maintain interest in your sport, esp MLB.