any explanation on the difference in the ground? Perhaps too similar mansions on Mars. Also as far as the game warden is concerned is there a hidden reference there from the comics or is that just funny because it is ridiculous how he sets it up as his rival? It did strike me as weird that they implied that the GW was a clone (or at least I thought they did) and yet the clone had some authority over Ozy.
I know podcasts are all the rage these days, but my television obsessions were nurtured in the Lost/DarkUFO days. is there anyone out there writing in depth reviews worth reading?
Also, anyone clued in on the significance of the old man's note being on the back of one of those Nazi propaganda flyers? One of the things I noticed, which is probably supposed to be intentionally obvious at this point is that the clock ticking noises start every time something bad is about to happen.
I couldn't make any sense of this. edit - I should point out, I don't think it was Nazi though. it was WWI. so presumably that was his father. him writing the note on the back of it however many years later seems very coincidental.
I don’t think the flyer is any secret totem or anything. It’s just to provide the back story of his father/ Sister Night’s great grandfather was the guy who served in WW1 fighting for a country that would later terrorize his people during the Tulsa Bombings
It also was the only tangible thing he had from his family so it would make sense he hung onto it. I would think it has sentimental value. Dropping it for his granddaughter to pass on a family heirloom of sorts? Idk.
She’s a lot more jaded and I think the show is going to slowly peel that onion in the context of (1) her father and (2) Dan’s imprisonment.
I totally understand the old man holding onto it. I just don't get why it would have been what his father wrote on that day.
I dont think it was for any specific reason. They were in a rush to get him out of there and just seemed to write the note on the first thing he saw.
Yes, so to that point why of all things was that laying around? there is also a scene where his father is reading that to him or he is holding it. i don't recall the exact details.
it’s a literal doomsday clock that’s ticking, and the end of the world is definitely something “bad.” Also it just fits the current style of filmmaking ever since Nolan used it to perfection in films like Dunkirk.
Ah well that I dont know. Other than people just kept that shit back in the day. Either as something he just brought back from the war or just out of not everything was seen as disposable back then.
OR the obvious here.... they spent an entire intro regarding this letter that connected back to the previous episode's race riots... It will have some meaning.
Was Definitely WWI. Lindeloff went out of his way to ensure uniforms, planes, equipment, etc. were all WWI era.
There was many of hints at Dr Manhattan "vanishing" Veidt and imprisoning him after the end of the graphic novel time period in this last episode. This mostly happens when Laurie Blake was talking to Dr. Manhattan on the phone.
I’m rewatching now. The jokes are allegory for Her, Night Owl, Viedt and Manhattan. If there’s a super cut of them somewhere, someone should post it. It’s clear as day when you’re looking for it. also firmly Team: Viedt is imprisoned on Mars. After this second viewing
also rewatching and realizing she put on Devo and headed straight for the blue dildo when she got home.
someone asked what preceded the White Night, the FBI agent running the meeting said after black people got their Redfordations and came to Tulsa to prosper the 7th Kavalry sprung up, but the cops targeted everyone who was supremacist adjacent and took their houses and guns. “but obviously they missed a few” that explains why they all live in that trailer park.
Me too, and it is simply because of the amount of texture that Lindeloff puts in every show he does. The level of detail he uses and the thought he puts into it is far and above any director I can think of. Nothing he uses as props or dialog is wasted. It may not always be a "clue" to something, but that is not his goal.
It looks like the brief case from Pulp Fiction. So now I’m just gonna assume Marcellus Wallace was walking around LA w a Dr Manhattan dildo
Can’t believe I didn’t put the pieces together of Veidt being on Mars as a prisoner in a reality Manhattan constructed. It explains everything around his scenes so far this season.
I don’t think it’s a reality as much as a bio dome prison on Mars. He made that suit for the clone or whatever and he came back frozen as if he didn’t get any protection outside the dome on the surface of Mars
That was my thought also, but one thing gave me pause about that conclusion. It didn’t look like the clones body went anywhere. It looked to me like he died where he last left him. Sure he somehow could have gotten the body back or maybe he returned, but it struck me almost as if the environment changed in that spot at night. I do feel like there is some type of dome or protected area though.
I'm curious why Manhattan would want to imprison Veidt now. It wasn't due to the squid incident 30 years ago.
HBO has this sort of in-show reference called Peteypedia. Some of it is kinda corny, namely the tiny nods to famous people in this alt-history, but it’s all very detailed and entertaining at least. They have Veidt’s full obit and it says he went missing in 2012.
There is no such thing as recent. It's just a construct. The photograph is in my hand. It is the photograph of a man and a woman. They are at an amusement park, in 1959. [...] I'm tired of looking at the photograph now. I open my fingers. It falls to the sand at my feet. I am going to look at the stars. They are so far away, and their light takes so long to reach us... All we ever see of stars are their old photographs. [...] It's October, 1985. I'm basking in the two-million-year-old light of Andromeda. I can see the supernova that Ernst Hartwig discovered in 1885, a century ago. It scintillates, a wink intended for the Trilobites, all long dead. Supernovas are where gold forms; the only place. All gold comes from supernovas. It's June 2012, I am
has there been any reporting on how well this show is doing with viewers? I hope it gets the support from HBO it deserves.
IMDB ratings are not great. It reminds me of season one of the leftovers. It was not received very well, by the audience although I think the critics were more favorable towards it.
didn't someone say the neckbeards were pissed about it being "political"? could explain the audience scores being skewed.
It is pretty hard to understand what is going on if you can't connect with any of the back story. I had conversations with people at work who don't and they are completely lost and have nothing to grab onto.
yeah..I wasn't expecting strong ratings because this is such a niche property. Not to be all but I was kinda surprised how many people here were familiar with the Source material
Acknowledged, I would counter that aside from a couple comic book readers I know. Pretty much everyone I know who saw it w/o reading the GN first thought it was confusing and dumb...fast forward 12 years later and HBO releases a continuation series of the GN and here we are. I can count on two hands the number of people I had a conversation like this; me: Hey did you start watching HBO's Watchmen yet? rando: lolno isn't that the movie with the blue guy and his dick?
If you watch the scene where Veidt is in his workshop, you see a small scale model of the wooden large structure that is in the field with the clone. It looks like a trebuchet or catapult.
My guess Veidt has been imprisoned on Mars since the Squid'ining. Dr. Manhattan was Veidt until something happened/changed in 2012. Veidt died or left mars, and we see Dr Manhattan tearing down his mansion on the present day TV footage.