Neo lib shield engaged. opposition to increasing housing capacity of any kind is bad, whether it falls under local definitions of “affordable.”
I'm somewhat surprised at your opposition to that - we've put up some monstrosities in LA under the guise of "affordable housing" when they are actually profit centers and it just enables them for more rapid approval - so in a smaller city I can understand the pushback if the development looks shitty.
I want there to be housing. I don't really care about aesthetic complaints as they're just another tool in the nimby playbook.
Agree to disagree on that - the tool is to make the developer (who is going to make a lot) adhere to the aesthetic goals of the neighborhood so it doesn't screw the businesses and home owners in the area.
Gonna take a stab in the dark you don't deal with housing developers frequently. It's not that difficult to accomplish both goals.
Where I lived for the last 10 years may be the most aggressively developed affordable housing area in the country - pretty familiar with the topic.
It is though because the goalpost always moves. Once the facade is changed to look “nice,” the size of the project becomes the “aesthetic” problem.
It’s quite frustrating that we’re on the wrong side of the rhetorical battle almost all the time. Simple bad faith justifications do seem reasonable on the surface level to many who aren’t as engaged.
as long as the housing can be comfortably lived in with dignity, you can fuck off with your nimby aesthetic finger wagging
It takes around 7 years to get a large scale project accomplished in LA - 5 years in Texas or Louisiana. Multiple rounds of corrections and approvals - it's really not that difficult for a large company that already have this outlayed to make adjustments when you already have your architects and expeditors on retainer. Also - haven't seen the project and know nothing about the area and local government so I'm largely talking out of my ass here.
It sounds like Dave was fine with the anesthetics if it's just single family homes. I doubt the design or materials would have been different.
Some neighborhoods have consistent aesthetics - if someone throws a terrible looking development in there it depreciates property values and makes the area less unique. We just put a 278 unit affordable housing tower in downtown but the developer had to adhere to an aesthetic that fit the neighborhood - I'm not opposed to affordable housing but asking questions about how and where it's implemented is pretty reasonable imo.
I know next to nothing about this, but your point appears to be that helping people transition into affordable housing isnt good because it might be unaestheticly pleasing for the current business owners. I could be reading it wrong and apologies if I am, but that sounds NIMBY as fuck.
Definitely not my point - all for affordable housing but I think many are under-estimating the grift amount of the affordable housing market supply and how easy it is for a home developer to not rock the boat.
You guys are so starved to be distracted by shit that doesn’t matter that you refuse to look at things from an angle that’s not fed to you. You guys are currently in a battle over two wealthy factions and you all have decided that the one who has been more openly controversial is the bad guy when it’s just not that simple. Dave has made some bad plays of late so he’s easy to pile on
this is my point, you aren't even discussing the issue at hand. also you're sharing the angle you prefer that was fed to you! you can argue that dave isn't against the affordable aspect ONLY but wants to stop the whole development, this still makes him a piece of shit because the developer can build the largely market rate single family homes REGARDLESS of what the board decided.
hi, yes, this is literally any human in recorded or future history when they aren't currently struggling for food and/or shelter. hence you being on this dumbass website with the rest of us.
The developers are basically using the community that Dave and others help build to come through and make it a suburban hell scape (on the back of a communal idea that Dave and others helped cultivate). They’re using that to build 95% of the homes in that development that are 2-5 times as expensive as the average home in that area and then setting a VERY small portion of that land aside for affordable housing left up to YS to develop (which in the long run would be opposed by the folk they move into the expensive homes built by the developers).
i've followed this on a very surface level, but that twitter thread is misstated from a few angles from what i've read just from its first claim, it's my understanding the proposed site is two miles from downtown. it's a literal corn field right now. it's pretty ridiculous to say 'locals want to keep YS weird' if that geography is correct.. to be a media personality with hundreds of thousands of followers and a published author to not explain how affordable housing incentives work for developers is embarrassing. the developers aren't trying to 'look good'.. honestly embarrassed for that guy for putting that out on twitter
Dave has also been against this since it’s been an idea and has been vocal and active in that community about it for over a year
the average home in town is 320k and the single family development was slated to have 250-600k houses based on current trends but they also can't stop this development, its zoned for this already, what they COULD stop was the stated affordable carveouts for duplexes and townhouses that would have brought the price window further down. good job dave
https://clerkshq.com/Content/Attach...H/220207_02a4.pdf?clientSite=YellowSprings-OH again, the plans in black and white, it was either modify the zoning to allow duplexes and townhomes that would make the development cheaper (and the much talked about affordable lot donation to the town), adding green space, or just force the developer to stick to the obviously worse plan based on the already approved zoning. people are making this much more complicated than it really is
there's layers upon layers of irony when debate bros describe another corner of the internet as "severely mentally ill".
I may have misinterpreted your comment. I thought you were saying that the thread posted by dhmb showed that the posters itt were wrong about Chappelle’s motives in opposing the housing.
https://www.latimes.com/california/...using-audit-says-try-rehabbing-motels-instead Felt like this belonged in this thread if anyone wants to invest 10 minutes into the LA homeless housing development updates.
us construction costs are insanely off the charts for a country that is far more deregulated and not unionized than its peers (didn't read the article, just firing off takes)
Hey, the day we stop firing off takes without reading the literature is the day the terrorist have won
I don’t have as much time as I used to do delve headlong into shit as I used to. Lyrtch isn’t so much telling me what to watch, but we’ve been adjacent long enough that I get the point that it’s not worth dedicating time to watching.
Fair. But like, I was born in raised in, and still live in Yakima. It’s the laughingstock city of the entire fucking PNW. It’s an embarrassing city because it’s conservative as fuck but also like 50+% Latino because it’s the lifeblood of hops, but also many other important agriculture components of this country. Your chamber and its processes can fuck off. That’s a whole built in ass thing. My piece of shit city has entire acreage dedicated to homeless, whether it be through UGM or what’s known as Camp Hope. Where you live is replete with money. It’s hardly an excuse to be like “well it’s a hard approval process”
I think you're misreading my point to a degree. House the homeless - happy to pay for it if it's done remotely well. We just have morons handling it so it's taking longer than it should to get people viable housing. Don't quote me on this but pretty sure we could have purchased something like 20 homes (small house/off the grid rv with solar) for what we are paying per unit for affordable housing in downtown right now.