That's true too, but you can certainly use a joke about something controversial to make a comedic point about something else. But just giving us his thoughts on the trans community ain't that.
There were skits on that show that perpetuated stereotypes, and no one cared. He has also said he left in part because he didn’t feel that others were taking it as poking fun of racism. I think it’s fair to say it the special wasn’t very funny, his older stuff was better, etc., but the idea that the LGBTQ community is off limits seems kind of hypocritical.
I think we might be arguing different things. FWIU what he has said is he can make fun of anyone/anything except for the trans community because that’s off limits. He made fun of a lot of people but he has only been getting shit because of those jokes. If that’s the case then it would seem he does have a point. But, even he has a point it doesn’t make his jokes funny.
Maybe this has been mentioned and I just missed it, but at one point Dave complains that the LGBTQ movement doesn't get to jump in line over racist issues. Maybe i'm viewing it through a whole different lense, but I thought that has always been his issue. He complained about the gains that community had so quickly in this country over other minorities. He brought it back at the end with seeing a different side from his experience. Did i miss something?
You in favor of Facebook being required to host child porn or the video of the Christchurch massacre?
It’s been my experience in life that people who scream about free speech generally have no idea what the First Amendment actually covers. Source: The Trumpocalypse thread.
Drives me insane when people pull the “I consider this very definable thing to be something it literally isn’t.” It is also maddening because his stupid position necessarily requires less free speech for others.
Worrying that Dave and his immense wealth with multiple Netflix specials is in danger of having his 1st amendment rights taken away seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. It's ridiculous. He obviously can say it. He's not going to be arrested. It's whether he should.
I’m a huge Dave fan, live about an hour away from Yellow Springs, and watched the special last night…. The special was funny to me, like always Dave cut on every race, gender, and sexuality. With Dave I think you have to read between the lines with some of his stuff, he seemed to come back full circle on some of the LBGTQ stuff. I do agree the skit is slowly becoming a rant and he needs to veer in another direction when he comes back before it gets old, which it’s probably overplayed right now.
That's my thing. You can talk about anything but you choose to harp on the same shit for a good part of 3 specials?
I do think that there's a lot of privilege in the argument that he's "punching down." Rich black people are still black, and they still have to deal with generational systemic oppression. Dismissing him because he's made a lot of money for being the best ever at what he does isn't all that far from "shut up and dribble."
Will be on the lookout for a 1A censorship freedom fighter such as yourself to start speaking out about how books on the history of race in this country are being taken out of schools because weird aunts yelled at the school board meeting.
This comment is puzzling and kinda seems like a non sequitur. How does being black affect comments targeting the trans community, especially black members of the trans community?
Did y'all watch it? This was the point in all of the trans commentary: He even explicitly stated that the issue wasn't with trans people; it was with white people. With that said, he definitely could/should have made a better carveout for black trans people. I think that is certainly worthy of criticism.
was anyone actually arguing this? also “punching down” is still absolutely possible regardless of your station in life
I’m not talking about the special. I’m talking about your post regarding the ‘privilege’ of saying Dave is punching down because he’s black.
I don't give a shit about shitting on white people. Have at it. The "team terf" stuff is pretty textbook punching down though when you're using your Netflix special to spread a message of excluding outgroups.
He’s just referring to the take that keeps coming up itt that Dave is rich and powerful so that means he’s punching down. It ignores the fact he’s still a black man in America who still deals with systemic racism. One major point he makes in the special is how jealous he is with the traction the community has gotten when compared to the black community
Maybe your post wasn’t clear, but it didn’t read like you were arguing that Dave’s material wasn’t actually damaging to trans people. My problem is the implication that saying Dave is punching down is a privileged position because he is black and experiences oppression.
My problem with his argument is because of one personal experience where a gay man called the cops on him, he lumped EVERY SINGLE LGBTQ PERSON into the "White" category....which is fucked up and wrong. My other problem is his comedy special wasn't very funny.
Questions I have for tegg and others: 1. Do you believe the material in Dave’s new special is damaging to the trans community? 2. Are black entertainers capable of “punching down”?
On #2 can any affluent black person not punch down? If Clarence Thomas told underprivileged black youths to get off their lazy asses and get a job is that ok?
It obviously wasn't given the reactions. I think that there's a very fine line between "black comedian challenges social hypocrisy on treatment of marginalized communities" and "rich comedian attacks marginalized community." Here, I think that there's some willful ignorance of context (and privilege) to jump to #2.
Punching down is about class. Not race. Race obviously plays a part in class but it's not the entire story.
Are you talking about the criticism on this board or the criticism from people in the trans community?
He specifically made the point that black gay and trans people have it harder than others. Also, we understand you didn’t think it was funny
I really don't know. I think that the response has the potential to be a watershed moment for the community. Sure they're capable of it. I think that you have to ignore the context of the jokes here to call it that. The jokes here were illustrative of a race issue.