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  1. DeToxRox

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    I have prepared my butt for us taking Tevin Coleman at #23. Apparently we sent Modkins to his Personal Pro Day a week or so ago. With all the other buzz about us liking Coleman, I just feel like we're going to do what it takes to get him. I am fine with it in the 2nd, but it's a stretch at 23. If nothing else, try to pick up an extra 3rd and trade down to the first 5-10 picks of the 2nd and then get him.
     
  2. Moxin24

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    Taking him in the second round is fine, but if we pass up Gordon or Gurley for him in round I'll be pissed...just like I am every fucking draft.
     
  3. DeToxRox

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    Gurley definitely won't be there. I am starting to think the same about Gordon as well.
     
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    Taking him in the 2nd is fine, but if we pass up a an OL or CB in the first to take him, I'll be pissed. Welcome to the Lions, Tevin Coleman. I look forward to complaining while you miss 7-9 games due to foot and ankle injuries.
     
  5. dathalfnukkahd

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    I think Coleman will be the best back in this draft. I don't know why but I do.
     
  6. Tug

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    I actually agree with this
     
  7. Duder

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    I get the feeling this may finally be the year Mayhew trades back. I'm hoping, wishing, praying this is the case.

    If Coleman is their guy, no sense taking him at 23. Unless the Cowboys want him at 27.
     
  8. Duder

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    Thoughts on Randy Gregory if he's there at 23?
     
  9. Moxin24

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    Weren't there early mock drafts with him in the top 6 or 7?
     
  10. MG2

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    I can't see them taking Gregory or Ray at 23.

    Think the most interesting case is with La'el Collins. Before the murder investigation stuff, I think he might have been the OL they liked most of anyone in the draft. At the very least, he seems like the best fit. And it doesn't seem like he's actually a suspect in this murder, and the questions are more to do about him potentially being the dad of the kid. But can you take that guy in rd 1 if you don't know for sure? If he really has nothing to do with this and it's all just a weird coincidence, I feel really bad for him because this timing is horrendous.
     
  11. Tug

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    I've been a fan of Coleman since he was in HS. I was pissed when he chose IU over MSU. I think he will probably be the best back in this draft. That said, the Lions don't need to draft skill position offensive players in the first round anymore. If they trade back for more picks and get him in early 2, I'd be ok with that. They have bigger needs than more weapons for Stafford at this point
     
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  12. ~ taylor ~

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    I think you just like people named Tevin. Tevin lover.
     
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  13. MG2

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    http://first-pick.com/NFL/DraftGame.aspx

    This mock draft simulation offers you trades and stuff. I just finished with the following after two trade downs with TN and STL:

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 9 (STL): Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 2 (TENN): Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 8 (STL): Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 24: Alex Carter, CB, Stanford (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 1 (TENN): James Sample, SS, Louisville (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 32: Darius Philon, DT, Arkansas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 24: Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M (C+)
     
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  14. Heesu

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    It's true. He was wearing a shirt with this on it when we met at the Rose bowl. I instantly knew we'd get along.

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  15. Tug

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    And everyone knew that I'm always ready
     
  16. ~ taylor ~

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    I'd be thrilled.
     
  17. Druce

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    I'm fully prepared for my yearly melt down tomorrow night.
     
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  18. DeToxRox

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    I could see Landon Collins falling to the Lions and potentially ending up as our pick. I am not a big fan, but SS is still a need and I think he'd fit in well with Quin. At 23 I don't hate the pick like I would at 15 I guess.
     
  19. Joe Louis

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    Damorious Randall sems lke the 1st round safety now. not sure whete we have him ...
     
  20. MG2

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    This Jeff Risdon guy at least talks like he has connections with the Lions. Here's is his draft thoughts/predictions.

    All the mock drafts are out now. You can find my full seven-rounder here at RealGM.

    You’ve probably noticed just about every mock draft has the Lions taking a lineman. This is not a coincidence. After communicating with all sorts of people in the last few days, from beat writers to former players to agents to scouts from around the league, I think I have a pretty good feel for how Detroit’s draft will play out.

    1. The overriding desire is to address offensive line early. The Lions will not end Friday’s 3rd round without an immediate starter on the offensive line, and the earlier the better in the team’s eye. I can’t verify it with any actual Lions employee but I strongly get the sense Florida State’s Cam Erving is the desired target, followed by D.J. Humphries form Florida.

    Erving is interesting. He was predominately a tackle in college, albeit a mid-round caliber talent. He surged to the top of the center rankings on the basis of four truly stellar games. Yet a scout from another team advised me when his team worked Erving out the big Seminole was more than willing to play guard and also told them many teams asked him about moving to left guard. The Lions had worked Erving out prior to this team. Am I reading too much into these dots? Perhaps, but I like the growth and development I saw from Travis Swanson as his rookie year progressed and he’s a natural center.



    2. Detroit’s offensive tackle rankings are probably not fan-friendly. At least not to this fan, but I think I get their rationale. As it was explained to me by a very smart person who has run an actual NFL war room before,

    “Look, they’ve been average at that spot (left tackle) for a long time. Reiff ain’t bad, but if you’re going to replace him you ain’t gonna do that with another guy who’s only gonna be a little more average, right? You’re going for upside. You’re shooting for a great one.”

    This person went on to opine he feels very strongly Martin Mayhew sees it that way.

    What does that mean? D.J. Humphries and Jake Fisher are more likely targets than La’el Collins or Andrus Peat, who are more polished now but don’t have the high ceiling of the lesser-regarded, more nimble tackles. I prefer Humphries to Fisher as long as he can keep on the added bulk; he played at about 285 last year but is now solidly over 300 and showed at the Combine the beef didn’t impact his athleticism, which is his best attribute.

    The outlier is Cedric Ogbuehi, who I’m reliably told has a few big fans on the coaching staff. If his healthy return in 2015 was guaranteed, I would bet good money he would be the pick. But he’s apt to miss at least half the year with an ACL injury he suffered in December. I can’t tell you how the Lions view that, unfortunately.



    3. If the Lions don’t get an offensive lineman in the first, A.J. Cann in the second is the preferred route. But I don’t believe they’ll force it or move up unless it’s just a couple of spots. Cann is the best left guard in the draft who has actually played guard. The name Ali Marpet came up as second-round potential, but that seems high for a D-III guy no matter how awesome he was in three days at the Senior Bowl.

    I pinch my nose as I type this, but Penn State’s Donovan Smith is a real possibility. I watched him in person at the Big House get tossed around by Michigan’s backups, let alone Frank Clark (who will go undrafted, victim-blaming the woman you smacked around is a bad look to the NFL). He did have better games to be fair, and I liked what I saw of him at Senior Bowl week too. But he’s not even in my top 125 players. I would prefer the scenario which played out in my final mock, Florida State guard Tre Jackson in the 3rd.



    4. Assuming the Lions land an offensive lineman in the first, I strongly believe the second and third rounds will bring a either a wide receiver or corner and a defensive tackle. And it could be all three; the Lions know they are getting pick #97 in 2016 as compensation for losing Suh, so they can “freely” deal their regular 3rd rounder next year to sneak back into the top of the fourth this year. I’ll go so far as to say I will be more surprised if this doesn’t happen than if it does.



    5. Reports yesterday had the Lions trying to trade back from 23, and I believe that. It could happen, and the best chance to make it happen is a big run on wide receivers making a needy team like the Saints or Patriots antsy at the bottom of the first. Don’t expect any takers, but Mayhew will do his best to sell it and recoup an extra later pick or two to work with. Dallas could be a taker if there’s an unexpected run on corners, too.



    6. Many of you thirst for a running back the way I thirst for Lily from the AT&T commercials. As with my chances with Lily, don’t get your hopes too high. But I’m quite confident I have enough game to land Flo the Progressive Lady, and she has some unique, intriguing charm. The Lions are apt to go down that road with a 6th or 7th round RB. Going home with Flo is better than watching the Kathy Bates hot tub scene, right? Keep that in mind when the Lions draft a guy like Purdue’s Akeem Hunt, Southern Illinois’s Malcolm Agnew, the “other” Malcolm Brown from Texas or a guy I have seen in person, Keshawn Hill from Sam Houston State, who happens to be an elite return specialist option as well.
     
  21. MG2

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    If there's no trade down in any of the first three rounds, what's everyone's ideal first three picks? I think I've settled on:

    1 - Ereck Flowers, DJ Humphries or Andrus Peat, OT
    2 - Carl Davis or Grady Jarrett, DT
    3 - DJ Smith, CB

    I think my least favorite scenario would look something like:

    1 - Cam Erving, C/G
    2 - Tyler Lockett, WR
    3 - some sort of DT
     
  22. MG2

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    From La Canfora's mock:
     
  23. Joe Louis

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    WANT Lockett. would love option 2. lotta Erving fans out there ...
     
  24. Joe Louis

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    like our options here, Bud Dupree? could be fun ...
     
  25. MG2

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    Dupree would be interesting. Think it will be an OL or Malcom Brown. Currently scared of Perriman.
     
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  26. Heesu

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    Well, who the fuck should we take?
     
  27. DeToxRox

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    We traded down to 28 with Denver.
     
  28. DeToxRox

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    Not sure what we're getting but I am so happy we traded down.
     
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  30. MG2

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    Ramirez seems very average to me. Not thrilled about this.
     
  31. Heesu

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    Will he be a starter?

    Doesn't seem like we lose much, in terms of available players though.
     
  32. DeToxRox

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    Ramirez gives us a league average LG, which is basically what we'd have gotten if we re-signed Sims, but he also plays C so Swanson could still move around.

    I'd probably have preferred the 3rd but now we have a 5th plus the comp pick(s) so we will have ammo to still move this weekend.
     
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    Thanks for giving the Broncos Shane Ray for fucking Manny Ramirez
     
  34. Constant

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    You're welcome?
     
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    At least Shane Ray won't get arrested for weed in Denver.
     
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  37. Heesu

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    Fuck it, I want Gregory.
     
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  38. Constant

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    You'll get Lake Worthington, and like it!
     
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    Or Lake Huron, or Lake Something.
     
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  40. DeToxRox

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    Probably a reach but Tomlinson and Warford will be the best OG tandem in the NFL in 2-3 years.
     
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  42. MG2

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    I am now confused by that trade.
     
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    Eat shit Martin.
     
  44. Heesu

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    Fuck it, happy with any lineman.
     
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  45. Manny

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    Why draft a G if you just received one in the trade? Doesn't make sense.
     
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  46. Joe Louis

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    what does this mean for Ramirez?
     
  47. DeToxRox

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    Ramirez plays OG and C but yeah, it looks like he will be our 6th OL.
     
  48. beist

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    looks like we filled that hole at RB with L. Tomlinson.
     
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  49. Heesu

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    Ramirez can play C also. Agreed that it's confusing, but Ramirez is more short term help.
     
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  50. Constant

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    Hahahaha Ebron is bitching about drafting a Dookie on Twitter.

    Looks like this guy is already the smartest guy in the NFL, so there's that.