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  1. mp_22

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    Rams gonna stink ?
     
  2. DetroitNole

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    Rams got desperate. Hope we still draft a QB but that's a hell of a package
     
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  3. DeToxRox

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  4. DeToxRox

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    If Stafford goes down I could certainly see them not being great.
     
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  5. mp_22

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    guess we’ll find out
     
  6. MG2

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    He's not right about the dead cap unless they wait until after 2022.
     
  7. Vinegar Strokes

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    Goff have any trade value? Can we flip him for a 2nd?
     
  8. DeToxRox

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  9. DeToxRox

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  10. nofatchildren - cissp

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    The Lions fan base is going to hate Goff and I imagine he'll hate Detroit. Hopefully we still take a QB at 7, but I like the deal anyway.
     
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    Huge fucking upgrade. Doesn’t even need fake cans

     
  12. DetroitNole

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    Cap people

    Can we flip Goff without a cap hit since LA eating the dead cap or would we get a dead cap hit too?
     
  13. Vinegar Strokes

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    Hell yeah. Way to go Goff

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  14. mp_22

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    Other teams offered the Lions '21 first-rounders for Matthew Stafford. Why is the Rams' haul so much greater? Detroit agreed to take on Jared Goff's contract, adding an NBA element to this trade. Goff has $43M fully guaranteed (and $54.3M total) the next 2 years with NO offsets.
     
  15. Vinegar Strokes

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    I would have been happy with a 1st and a 3rd. Lions basically got an additional 1st for taking Goff. Who knows, Goff could be dealt down the road for additional picks.
     
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  16. mp_22

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    I would flip Goff to the colts for a 3rd
     
  17. DetroitNole

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    Only potential negative I see is if our new GM, who drafted Goff, sees him as our future QB and this stops us drafting one
     
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  18. mp_22

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    I see the Lions trading Goff and the 7th or the 7th pick and the future 1st for a QB
     
  19. mp_22

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  21. Vinegar Strokes

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    That’s my big concern. Hopefully Goff is just a stop gap.
     
  22. RalfBully

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    we are trading Goff, #7, and a 2022, 2023 first rounder for Watson and he’s waving his no trade clause because he’s all in on Detroit vs Everybody
     
  23. DeToxRox

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    Lance is a perfect developmental guy now imo
     
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  24. Vinegar Strokes

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    Be curious if Carolina was one of them. I’d rather have #8 than the LA trade.

     
  25. mp_22

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    Unfortunately we couldn’t trade Jared Goff with his favorite target Cooper Kupp
     
  26. DetroitNole

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    This trade is really good to line up with a Lance draft pick

    2021 draft take Lance

    2021 and 2022 suck probably with Goff starting and Lance developing. Improve defense with likely top 10 picks both years and extra 1st rd picks

    2022 cut Goff for no cap hit, start Lance who now has all those picks surrounding him
     
  27. Vinegar Strokes

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    What happened with Goff? He was a pro Bowler in 17 and 18, and was awful past 2 years.
     
  28. Detlef Schrempf

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    I believe it’s because he’s just not very good.
     
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  29. RalfBully

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    might rather us ride one year out with Goff and then draft a QB unless we are in love with whoever is the 4th QB in this draft is

    *if we don’t trade Goff immediately that is
     
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  30. mp_22

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    Um his deep ball accuracy has declined, he looks lost sometimes and makes the dumbest decisions against good teams. Not for a lack of weapons, we’ve had good WR’s 1&2’s. Line hasn’t been the best either was really bad in 19. Plus he fumbles the ball quite often
     
  31. Vinegar Strokes

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    Has more pro bowl appearances than Stafford. He was pretty damn good in 2017 and 2018.
     
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  32. DetroitNole

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    I like Lance potential so I'd jump on it if he's there, but that's an option too
     
  33. Vinegar Strokes

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    That’s the thing though. Will we be in a position to draft a good one next year? Next year’s QB class isn’t great, and I’m worried we will win 6-7 games with Goff, and pick in the teens.
     
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  34. Detlef Schrempf

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    I mean Mitch Trubisky has a pro bowl appearance also, I think it’s just more of an aberration as opposed to the expectation for him imo.
     
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  35. MG2

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    He was legit good a few years ago, though. At least, his production was. His yards per completion have dropped more than 2 yards over the last two years. Not sure if he lost confidence, or if the league figured out the McVay offense Goff was running and he's not capable of doing anything that isn't spoon fed for him like it was when McVay was the new hotness around the league. My guess is it's the latter, but if it's the former that would be nice.
     
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  36. Anison

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    Her tweets about this the last couple days read like her source is a team exec who is just pissed Holmes wouldn’t take their deal.
     
  37. mp_22

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    What can you tell me about Stafford?
     
  38. DeToxRox

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    He’s very good.
     
  39. Detlef Schrempf

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    That’s because it is. There’s been shady stuff about her for years basically implying she has traded different things for access/comment.
     
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  40. DayDomination

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    He’s a great guy! He’s tough too. Good company man.
     
  41. Vinegar Strokes

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    He’s friends with Clayton Kershaw
     
  42. MG2

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    Basically, McVay has spent his entire coaching career trying to scheme up ways for Cousins and Goff to be effective. Stafford does the things those guys do as well or better than they do, and also has the ability to both make downfield throws and improvise in ways those guys can't.
     
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  43. Han Solo

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    Can you elaborate? Just curious.
     
  44. Detlef Schrempf

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    There was a bunch of noise around her and Alshon Jefferey a few years ago, specifically around a lot of the Carson Wentz locker room stuff a few years ago, I heard Chris Long all but outright say she traded things for access on a podcast a couple of years ago iirc as well.
     
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  45. MG2

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    I'm guessing that stuff isn't true, and is mainly due to her constantly saying she "just got a text from _" whenever she breaks news. No one else does that.
     
  46. mp_22

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    This is true
     
  47. mp_22

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    What I think will also help him is a consistent running game, Cam Akers did well the second part of the season.