Detroit Lions: Throw in the towel for Howell

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by DeToxRox, Apr 12, 2015.

  1. Vinegar Strokes

    Vinegar Strokes Fire Dantonio
    Donor
    Michigan State SpartansDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsDetroit Tigers

    Good for us. I want Sewell, Parsons, or Zach Wilson.
     
    smeegsgreen likes this.
  2. Tug

    Tug Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Detroit LionsDetroit PistonsMichigan State Spartans

    Stafford needs some weapons
     
    Vinegar Strokes likes this.
  3. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  4. DetroitNole

    DetroitNole Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Think Parsons could be there. Starting to think top 6 picks going to include 3 QBs, Sewell, Smith and either Chase or Parsons. Would be unusual for no D in top 6 but I think it could happen
     
  5. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    The report earlier from Breer saying something along the lines of "Rod Wood wants to make a splash hire from the college ranks," or something along those lines, is kind of terrifying considering they continually suggest that he's not in charge of making those kinds of decisions.
     
  6. smeegsgreen

    smeegsgreen Big fan of Koalas
    Michigan State Spartans

    Wow this guy has no filter apparently

     
    Anison likes this.
  7. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  8. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers



    So we are starting to see teams operate with a bit more urgency. Feels like we just need one domino to fall before the jobs fill quickly.
     
  9. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  10. Vinegar Strokes

    Vinegar Strokes Fire Dantonio
    Donor
    Michigan State SpartansDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsDetroit Tigers

    lions are going to fuck this up
     
  11. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers



    I still think that’s a stretch to say when Dodds is in play
     
  12. spartanchuck

    spartanchuck Well-Known Member

    I didn’t think it was a question. It’s what they are best at.
     
    Tug, Anison, Lipp and 1 other person like this.
  13. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  14. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    Campbell is interesting to me. The closest comparison is probably Vrabel, who seems to be a hard ass but also a players coach. Vrabel is also a bad game manager. No idea what Campbell would be like as a coach but I wouldn’t hate the hire.
     
  15. Anison

    Anison Known friend and trusted agent
    Donor
    Michigan WolverinesDetroit PistonsDetroit LionsArsenal

    [​IMG]
     
  16. buckwild

    buckwild #BucketsGetsBuckets
    Donor
    Ohio State BuckeyesDetroit LionsDetroit PistonsDetroit Red Wings

    I'd be a fan of that hire.
     
    Harrison Beck and MG2 like this.
  17. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Vrabel had the one year as a DC, even if I don't think Houston's D was particularly good with him.

    I like the things I've read about Campbell in terms of everyone on the team seeming to like him. I think I'd rather take a swing there than with Bevell or Lewis, but I also have to admit I probably wouldn't say that if I wasn't a Lions' fan. With a lot of these guys, it's hard to know how I feel about them without knowing their plans for a staff.
     
    DeToxRox likes this.
  18. Vinegar Strokes

    Vinegar Strokes Fire Dantonio
    Donor
    Michigan State SpartansDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsDetroit Tigers

    Hell yeah
     
    buckwild likes this.
  19. Lipp

    Lipp Spartan Dawg
    Donor
    Michigan State SpartansDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsGeorge Washington ColonialsDetroit Tigers


    Why do you say he’s a bad game manager? All I can recall seeing are the dozens of articles calling him an “emerging genius” because of his self-inflicted penalty/clock management strategy.
     
  20. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    He’s been good at stuff like that, but he’s also just as likely to punt on 4th and 1 inside the opponents territory.
     
    RalfBully likes this.
  21. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    An example

     
    RalfBully and Lipp like this.
  22. nofatchildren

    nofatchildren Bull Moose Till I Die
    Donor TMB OG
    Los Angeles DodgersLos Angeles LakersKansas City ChiefsTampa Bay LightningTiger Woods

    Campbell had 12 games as a head coach, which probably trumps a year as a DC in terms of relevant experience. He went 5-7 after they started 1-3, so I'm not sure that he overachieved after becoming HC or anything, though.
     
    MG2 likes this.
  23. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    Campbell was almost as good an interim coach at Gary Moeller. Still livid we didn’t hire Gary.
     
    ~ taylor ~ likes this.
  24. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Definitely reasonable.

    I wonder how different he is now than he was back in 2015 when he got the interim tag and made news for bringing back the Oklahoma drill and things like that. He's been with Payton in NO the last five years, so I would hope he's matured beyond some of that "football guy" shtick. I've read that he's a big part of their running game scheme, which has generally been really good over the years even as Brees has gotten older and less capable of throwing it beyond 20 years.
     
  25. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    I'd still prefer Saleh to the others. I'd have Campbell and Bowles in the second group, and then Bevell/Lewis in the next tier. I don't know what I'm supposed to think of Fitzgerald (if he's actually a candidate), Smith or Bieniemy.
     
    ~ taylor ~ and DeToxRox like this.
  26. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  27. smeegsgreen

    smeegsgreen Big fan of Koalas
    Michigan State Spartans

    Dobbs and Cambell?
     
  28. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    I am just hoping for Dodds. Based on his track record, Dodds coming here would mean he is getting say on the hire. That’s enough for me.
     
  29. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Bradley was just hired by the Raiders as their DC, fwiw. I'm not terribly concerned with who Saleh would hire as DC, given his connections to various people around the league on that side of the ball.
     
    DeToxRox likes this.
  30. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    I think Campbell was a finalist in Indy when they hired Reich after the McDaniels disaster, and that Dodds was involved in that hiring. If that's correct, Dodds would seem to know a decent amount about Campbell as a candidate and might view him favorably.
     
    buckwild, DeToxRox and smeegsgreen like this.
  31. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Detroit PistonsCalgary FlamesDetroit LionsMichigan State Spartans

    Campbell was also part of the Dolphins staff during the Incognito/Martin mess. Organization needs a huge culture shift following Patricia, hopefully Campbell has learned and changed since then. Also hope this doesn't mean Ireland is becoming a stronger candidate for the GM spot
     
    MG2 likes this.
  32. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    I'm not sure what to do with Campbell about the Incognito/Martin mess, but I think you absolutely have to ask the questions about it in the interview. I've read all I need to about Ireland to know he's not the guy I want as GM, and I don't know how they can talk the way they have about culture for the last month and then hire Ireland with his background.
     
    ~ taylor ~, JPWahoo and DeToxRox like this.
  33. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  34. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  35. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    If Dodds isn't the guy, seems like there's a decent chance Atlanta/Denver will make our choice for us by picking two of the three between Paton, Fontenot and Holmes. We would end up with whichever is left between those three, and then maybe Ireland.
     
    DeToxRox likes this.
  36. ~ taylor ~

    ~ taylor ~ Boom... head shot.
    Donor TMB OG

    That's how I picked my date for prom in high school!
     
    MG2 likes this.
  37. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    Interesting that we aren’t mentioned

     
  38. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

  39. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

  40. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Lewis seems like the only guy who would fit that model, depending on how much credit you want to give for Campbell/Bevell being interim guys.

    I forgot about Bowles, who also fits.
     
    #9390 MG2, Jan 12, 2021
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2021
  41. smeegsgreen

    smeegsgreen Big fan of Koalas
    Michigan State Spartans

    Dobbs dream is likely done then
     
  42. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    I assume they will do a second interview with at least one other candidate
     
  43. ~ taylor ~

    ~ taylor ~ Boom... head shot.
    Donor TMB OG

    I've decided they should pick Micah Parsons at number 7. If he's gone, I want the OT or one of the top 2 receivers.
     
    Lipp and Harrison Beck like this.
  44. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    Birkett’s article makes it sound like Dodds interviewed in person. Still haven’t seen that confirmed.
     
  45. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

  46. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers

    I never know what to make of Scouting Directors. They are obviously integral to the Draft, but Snead is the one making those picks. You assume Holmes will have similar philosophies, but you never know.

    The Rams are always trading picks, so it’s not even fair to grade Holmes on their draft picks. It’s just very tricky to get a feel for his resume.
     
    MG2 likes this.
  47. Vinegar Strokes

    Vinegar Strokes Fire Dantonio
    Donor
    Michigan State SpartansDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsDetroit Tigers

    Say no to Holmes
     
  48. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Yeah, this is what I don't really get. I think it's important to look at the players they selected and ask whether they were worthy of being picked where they were. Holmes' job is to run the scouting department and stack the board going into draft night, and that kind of analysis is all we can really judge him on from the outside.

    I think it's kind of dumb to think that Holmes (or anyone in his position) is sitting in the room telling Snead whether he should pick a RB or OT in round 3 or any other round. That's Snead's job, and is the job Holmes is interviewing to have here.
     
    Tony Wonder and DeToxRox like this.
  49. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox We dug coal together
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Detroit PistonsDetroit LionsDetroit Red WingsWolverhampton WanderersDetroit Tigers