Detroit Pistons thread: Oh look, another Knicks playoff flop

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  1. Vinegar Strokes

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    wonder what happened to his ass?
     
  2. DeToxRox

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    I saw him and Fenech at DTW today
     
  3. MG2

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    No. The guy who took Edwards' spot wrote something about the LeVert signing last night. He's pretty terrible, though, so no one notices that he's around.
     
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  4. MG2

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    From what I gather from the morning Twitter search, Sacramento wants to move Monk, but there is no market. They apparently offered him to Atlanta for Bufkin and Niang and were turned down. I'm not sure if we're demanding Monk and they're hesitant, or if they're trying off load him and we're not sure we want him (or could be canvassing the league to see what we could move him for in a 3-way). He's very popular in Sacramento, though, and that fan base is very upset about the possibility to the point where I wonder if that part of things could blow up.

    If this ends up happening and we suddenly have four guards who are all more along the lines of shot creators over shooters, there is a pretty obvious Markkanen deal with Utah for Ivey, Tobias, Fontecchio and some picks staring at us. I don't know if either team would do that, but it would make an awful lot of sense to at least have that conversation.
     
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  5. DetroitNole

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    The writers and reporters around here are truly terrible. But I think that may be more of a nation wide trend than anything else.
     
  6. Vinegar Strokes

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    Fenech was the best one we had. Would shit all over the team and management. And then just completely vanished one day.
     
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  7. Lip

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    Verlander had him assassinated
     
  8. Brocktoon

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    Like Monk as a player but bad roster fit after signing Lavert. Desperately need someone that can actually shoot.
     
  9. MG2

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    The only roster fit I was concerned about with Monk was Ivey, just because they overlap a fair amount and Ivey needs to prove himself this season for the long term.

    Monk would have been fine as a shooter. Losing Beasley sucks and we're going to miss him a lot, but some of the Piston bloggers and media guys running around acting like everyone has to shoot 40% from 3 are driving me nuts on Twitter. Give me the guys who shoot 35% on high volume while being able to create something and/or play defense over guys who shoot 40%+ who can't dribble or defend who get played off the court every spring. This is why the Duncan Robinson stuff worries me.
     
  10. DetroitNole

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    Coming from someone playing for a team in Indiana...

     
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  11. MG2

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    I am shocked that a MAGA hero would have a negative opinion about Detroit
     
  12. Lip

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    what a fucking moron

    touting Kansas City and Nashville over Detroit and Cincinnati
     
  13. Anison

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  14. RalfBully

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    wtf happened to the shock anyway? Top 5 in attendance and still fold?
     
  15. MG2

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  16. Manny

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    Please, no.
     
  17. Vinegar Strokes

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    Ku doesn’t have sources.
     
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  18. Manny

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    So I assume our flexibility is gone with THJ and Dennis going elsewhere and taking their cap holds with them.
     
  19. Vinegar Strokes

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    yep. Back to mediocrity and picking 8th in draft for next 5 years.
     
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  20. Manny

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    :feelsbadman:

    I guess let's load up with more mid UM players from the 2010s, just like the Wings. Come on down Mo Wagner and Duncan Robinson.
     
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  21. DetroitIrish3

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    Holland and Ausar are going to shoot 40% on 3s next season anyway after Vinson has a full year with them
     
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  22. DetroitNole

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    Speaking of Holland. His dad is a fan of this offseason

     
  23. DeToxRox

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  24. Lip

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  25. DetroitNole

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    What a terrible offseason.
     
  26. MG2

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    I don't get it but whatever. The price sucks.
     
  27. MG2

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    No options on the deal, either. Who the hell were we competing against for him?
     
  28. Brocktoon

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    Wagner is next. Is Beilein still on staff?
     
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  29. Vinegar Strokes

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    Team sucks ass. Langdon had no offseason plan whatsoever. He knew about Beasley well before news leaked. He has now surpassed Yzerman as worst GM in Detroit
     
  30. Vinegar Strokes

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    Who would you rather have Robinson or Monk?
     
  31. buckwild

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    Supposedly only the first year is guaranteed, per Aldridge
     
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  32. Brocktoon

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    Yeah, it's way too early to say we've seen enough but really feels like we've seen enough already
     
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  33. MG2

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    :blessed:
     
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  34. ~ taylor ~

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    I think Ivey, Caris and Duncan are a better trio then Beasley, Hardaway and Schroder going forward.
     
  35. MG2

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    My god that non-guaranteed piece changes everything and makes it make a lot more sense. Still sucks we had to go this route with the Beasley shit but the salary being so high is likely for smart, creative reasons as opposed to us being stupid.
     
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  36. MG2

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    Hollinger on the Schroder thing and Robinson signing. Basically, a Schroder sign and trade would give us a $14.1M trade exception so we should do it, and Robinson's contract is that big for the same reasons people thought we might resign Hardaway Jr. or Schroder to a big number.

     
  37. DeToxRox

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  38. DetroitNole

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    But who are they getting back?
     
  39. MG2

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    I'm not sure we do anything significant the rest of the summer. Maybe sign someone like Chris Boucher to back up Tobias or something. If that's the case, our additions probably don't add up all the way to our subtractions, and we're going to need significant improvement from at least a couple young guys to improve on last year.

    I think we make a big move during the season, though. We'll have the Tobias expiring ($26M) plus Robinson's $15M that's very movable, as well as a bunch of young guys we'll see for a couple months in terms of how/where they fit. And I think the guy who makes the most sense is Markkanen. Utah's probably not ready to move him now, but during the year when they suck again things might change. PJ Washington, Santi Aldama and John Collins are smaller names that make sense for cheaper. At some point we're going to have to make a move for someone at the 4 to play against Tatum, Giannis, Mobley, Banchero, Towns, Siakam and Jalen Johnson in a playoff series if we want to be serious threats in the East.
     
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  40. Vinegar Strokes

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    what benefit does Sacramento have by doing it?
     
  41. ~ taylor ~

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    They get a free second round pick
     
  42. DetroitNole

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    I think Schroder doesn't take their MLE and they then have money to sign someone else
     
  43. MG2

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    2m ago
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    A potential sign-and-trade between Detroit and Sacramento that sends Dennis Schröder to the Kings would improve the flexibility for both teams.

    The Kings can take Schröder into their existing $16.8 million trade exception for Kevin Huerter and thus maintain their entire $14.1 million nontaxpayer midlevel exception for other moves; Sacramento is currently $14.7 million below the first apron, where the Kings would be hard-capped as a result of a sign-and-trade.

    The Pistons, meanwhile, will either generate a $14.1 million trade exception for Schröder or can take back up to $23 million in a simultaneous trade that would almost certainly involve a third team (or more). As a result of this trade, the Pistons would operate as an over-the-cap team, with Paul Reed taking the team's biannual exception and Caris LeVert taking Detroit's nontaxpayer midlevel exception.

    Detroit still has $25 million in room below the tax line with three open roster spots, although one may be designated for rookie second-round pick Chaz Lanier. The Pistons are already taking on a bunch of salary in another trade, sending Simone Fontecchio out in a sign-and-trade for Duncan Robinson; it appears that Detroit will start Robinson's salary at the maximum allowable $16,865,384 (twice Fontecchio's salary plus $250,000), and then decline his salary by 5 percent each of the following two years on his three-year, $48 million deal.

    It also remains possible that Detroit unites these two sign-and-trades into one big, ugly sign-and-trade, although right now it doesn't seem to generate any additional advantages versus keeping the two separate.
     
  44. DetroitNole

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    That makes it sound like it's not monk
     
  45. MG2

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    I think if it was going to be Monk (or anyone else on the Kings) that would be announced by now.
     
  46. Manny

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    Seems like we're gonna find out what we've got in Sasser.
     
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  47. MG2

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    I think he'll get his shot at some point due to injuries and whatnot, but if everyone's healthy I bet he's still the 7th perimeter guy and 11th man to start the year. Cade, Ivey and Thompson start at the 1-3, and I am guessing LeVert, Holland and Robinson are the top 3 wings/perimeter types off the bench with either Cade or Ivey on the court at all times. I think Sasser could be a nice fit next to LeVert, though.
     
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  48. Manny

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    I can see him being regular season innings eater that has some microwave off the bench games. He's probably too small to ever be a real rotation guy in the playoffs though, as I imagine would get hunted.
     
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