Detroit Pistons thread: Tanking

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  1. MG2

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    Also, that cap space number could increase significantly if Tony Snell opts out. I don't think he's getting $12M a year from anyone, but maybe he could get a long term deal for a contender that would make that decision worthwhile for him if he did. I'm guessing it won't happen, but it's possible.
     
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  2. Heesu

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    I haven't followed things closely enough - so is the idea that we build around Blake (at least as a viable, if oft-injured piece) moving forward, or is there any hope of getting rid of him?

    Overall, building through the draft is our only hope for real success, no?
     
  3. DeToxRox

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    I think the idea is to rebuild knowing Blake is cooked. We are just waiting out his contract at this point.
     
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  4. DeToxRox

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  5. MG2

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    I think the idea is that Blake is on the roster no matter what because we can't move him, and we get whatever we get for him if/when he plays. But the team is moving on with the rest of the roster with the idea playing for the future.
     
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  6. DeToxRox

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    Gores was locked out of JLA trying to get the message to Drummond that it’s not Penny’s boat.
     
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  7. MG2

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    I think what this deadline inactivity does suggest is, even if Gores accepts that the team needs to rebuild, they're not going to tank. If they had any thoughts of that, I think Rose, Morris, Galloway and possibly Kennard would have been dumped for whatever they could get.

    I'm wondering what happens with Casey at the end of the season. He didn't sign up for a rebuild, and I wonder if they look into some kind of mutual split if a contender has interest in hiring him. I think he's a good coach and it would be bad for the org if they had to hire someone else, but I can see from his side if he wanted one last run with a good team. He's 62 years old.
     
  8. buckwild

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    You'll survive Andre
     
  9. Randy Bobandy

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    It’ll be two seasons of Casey so we’re due for a new HC. He should take a job with the team that picks one spot behind us and ends up with a superstar.
     
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  10. Brocktoon

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    they were talking about using the space in a similar way that Memphis did this year to get assets to take on expiring contracts. But that was from a national guy and there won't be top end talent worth clearing space for this summer like last year
     
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  11. MG2

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    I'm sure they'll look for those opportunities, but I don't think teams are going to be dumping assets to move expiring deals like that going into next season. A lot of those teams want to keep those contracts and not spend money beyond next season. Best bet would be to find some teams trying to avoid the tax and maybe looking to offload money for that.
     
  12. DetroitIrish3

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    His name has been floated for being traded for a while, how can he even act like he’s surprised.

    I can’t stress enough that I’m glad we ultimately got a 2nd round pick out of this, but we have no chance of being a contender right now and we’re not a free agent destination for quality players. We have to trade any asset that is not a long term development for us and build through the draft.
     
  13. RalfBully

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    So who is out there in free agency this summer? Would still rather tank one more year I think
     
  14. DeToxRox

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    No good UFA. Everyone is suggesting we are going to try to pry VanVleet away from Toronto though.
     
  15. Randy Bobandy

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    It’ll never happen intentionally, but we should absolutely tank next season and probably the year after, too.
     
  16. RalfBully

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    When are we done with Blake or when can we reasonably just buy out that contract?
     
  17. buckwild

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  18. RalfBully

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    So we play him next year in a tank year and can trade him the following year because he will be expiring. Perfect.
     
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  19. DeToxRox

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  20. RalfBully

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    Shocked he's smart enough to realize no one will pay him max
     
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  21. Heesu

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    Still more shocked that we didn’t pay the max
     
  22. MG2

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    I started looking at some draft stuff for 2020 and have come to the conclusion that it's a bunch of trash. I think there are two players I like right now. One of them is a center (Wiseman) who played 3 games this season. The other is a PG (Haliburton) on an awful team who has one of the ugliest shooting forms I've seen in a while.

    I can be talked into some other guys, but this draft blows.
     
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  23. DeToxRox

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  24. smeegsgreen

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    I don’t understand what’s the purpose of keeping him on the team if they are rebuilding. Somebody explain this to me.
     
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  25. DeToxRox

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    So Vinegar Strokes Reggie Jersey shirt is relevant a few more months
     
  26. MG2

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    Because owners don't like to pay players full price to go play for someone else. If he's willing to take less to do a buyout, I would guess they'll buy him out.
     
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  27. Vinegar Strokes

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  28. DeToxRox

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    20 and 9 from Reggie is unacceptable. Time to buy his ass out.
     
  29. DeToxRox

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  30. Heesu

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    Yeah, but I bet Andre had like 47 rebounds
     
  31. MG2

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  32. Constant

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    Help computer
     
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  33. ~ taylor ~

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    The teams missed 100 shots combined, and Andre grabbed 14 of 'em to go with 19 points! He's a box score stuffer!
     
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  34. DeToxRox

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    Good game thus far
     
  35. Vinegar Strokes

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    Too bad this draft sucks
     
  36. Tug

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    What about the kid from Israel that everyone says is the new Luka?
     
  37. Vinegar Strokes

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    Is his mom hot?
     
  38. ~ taylor ~

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    It's Gal Gadot.
     
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  39. Tug

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    Not sure. You’re a way better creep than I am. Find us a pic
     
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  40. MG2

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    Currently the 7th worth record in the league, and have lost the last two against teams #5 and 6. Basically 1 game away from the 4th worst record.
     
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  41. Vinegar Strokes

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    Can’t wait til we win 8 of our last 10 games and end up picking 10th
     
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  42. MG2

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    In this draft, I really don't think it matters. I'm not going to get worked up over any of it.
     
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  43. DeToxRox

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    And once Steph returns, we won’t have to worry about GS staying behind us.
     
  44. DeToxRox

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    You all know we are going to jump five spots into the #2 pick in this draft.
     
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  45. smeegsgreen

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    So when we win it sucks and when we lose it doesn’t matter because the draft sucks. What is ideal for you guys?
     
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  46. MG2

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    I'm not sold Steph is coming back. I get that those fans paid absurd prices for the new building, but they're way out of it and he's a marked man if he comes back. If he does return, I wouldn't bring him back in early March like they're saying. Just trot him out there a few times in the final weeks and call it a day.
     
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  47. MG2

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    I mean, ideally you get the #1 pick because you get your choice of all the players. I just don't think there's much of a difference this year compared to most. The difference between #1 and #8 most drafts is huge. I don't think the difference between #1 and #10 this year is very significant. The current consensus top 4 seems to be:

    - Anthony Edwards, a SG on an awful team shooting 40% from the field and 30% from 3

    - James Wiseman, who played 3 games at Memphis and plays center at a time where no one values centers

    - LaMelo Ball, a 6'7" PG who can't shoot and who got hurt at the end of November in Australia and shut it down

    - Tyrese Haliburton, a PG who doesn't play a modern PG game on an awful team who just got hurt and is out the rest of the year

    Any of those guys could be good, but I'm not going to invest much effort into cheering for losses to get any of them. I'm not sure any of them goes top 5 in a good draft.
     
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  48. MG2

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    ESPN's draft guy just went to see him play for a week and wrote this. Says he's up there with Ball, Edwards and Wiseman in the top 4.

     
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  49. Tug

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    Sign me up. I’d like Wiseman then this guy. Don’t want a Ball, don’t care about Edwards
     
  50. Constant

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    Our next Darko :lovelove:
     
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