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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by DeToxRox, May 19, 2015.
Now I really hope we can get 2 firsts for Hayward but I think this means Miles
What would make this trade better
1. Trade olynyk for Hayward and 13. (Rumors are they'll trade one not both picks to move Hayward)
2. Leaves enough cap space to sign Ayton and bring back Bagley
3. Package 36 to move up to 4 and draft Ivey
4. Hopefully draft Sochan at 13
I'm still firmly against Ayton, but I'd take just about any off-season that includes Ivey and Sochan
Picked up 3 and sent 1 already in the Grant trade
The best thing about this deal is the Grant stuff is over and we can draft Murray at 5 without him being blocked for playing time.
The worst thing about this deal is we clearly took what we did to maximize cap space, and now I get to be terrified for the next 9 days about whatever we're about to do on July 1 when FA opens. We'll read all the rumors about Ayton and Bridges and end up signing Sexton and Robinson or some shit for $20M per.
Sexton and Robinson = Charlie V and Ben Gordon. We are fucked.
Edwards says we're going after Ayton. Also said this was the best deal we were offered because of course he'd say that.
This seems like a legit source...
this plus drafting Ivey or Mathurian is the dream scenario. Reality will be closer to drafting Murray and signing Robinson and Sexton to $20+ million each
Surprisingly espn gave Pistons A- and Blazers B for the trade
Happy Jaden day, everyone!
Imagine the meltdown if we pass on Ivey at 5. James Edwards will say it was the right call, and whatever guy we take he had rated higher on his board.
I don’t know why you wouldn’t believe this. I’m not certain we should be prioritizing someone that can’t shoot
Ivey improved his 3 pt shooting 10% on more attempts this season. I'd be stunned if he's not at least a solid shooter in a couple seasons. I don't care if he's not great at it as a rook.
He looked like he could shoot in non-conference season. He looked like he could not shoot in conference season. I think level of competition factored in there
Perhaps. My big board tosses out big ten play as it's not real basketball.
Think I’ve slowly become team Mathurin. Dude can shoot, doesn’t turn the ball over and is still pretty young even though he played two years. Basically splitting the difference between Murray’s college production and Ivey’s potential.
I’m telling you it’s the right call.
Mathurin looks like he could be a nice piece next to Cade
Not sure if it's me talking myself into it because it's the likely outcome, but I've come around on Mathurin
The Pistons are widely expected to make the pursuit of Phoenix Suns restricted free agent Deandre Ayton their priority after agreeing Wednesday to trade Jerami Grant to Portland. Word is Ayton, furthermore, would indeed embrace the concept of teaming with Cade Cunningham to form a new Pistons two-man core. Detroit is projected to have salary-cap space in the $50 million range to pursue Ayton and perhaps one other top free agent, with Charlotte's Miles Bridges and Cleveland's Collin Sexton thought to be ahead of Dallas' Jalen Brunson on the Pistons’ wish list.
So Weaver essentially got 2 firsts and a second for Grant. He is clearly the God King of NBA general managers
Moving up in the 2nd is actually pretty good in a draft like this with so many highly ranked freshman that should have gone back to school staying in the draft. Would think Weaver is working to use that pick to move back up into the 1st
I really like the trade in that we got some future assets (even if they’re twos) and I’m expecting to eat some of that space with a questionable contract for more assets
I posted it more to mock Edwards once again carrying water for Weaver. Don't hate the trade but it is much closer to trading Grant for 3 second rounders than it is 2 first rounders.
Givony says we're interested in Gordon Hayward if we can get a Charlotte pick, and Jalen Duren might be the target in that scenario. That would be very odd.
Would rather they did something like this rather than overpaying for a non-Ayton FA.
2 - Jalen Duren
6-11, 250 Power Forward/Center
NBA Comparison: Andre Drummond
He probably won't drop to the Hornets pick but Jeremy Sochan seems like a prototypical Weaver player. Could see Tari Eason as a fit if they go with a guard at #5
I'm fine with them taking Hayward to get a pick. I'm fine with Duren as a prospect in that range. It's bizarre if we want Ayton, but would take $30M in Hayward to acquire a center only prospect right before we chase Ayton. On top of already having Stewart, Olynyk and possibly Bagley.
Alright boys lock in your picks. Who you taking?
Murray + Gordon Hayward and Agbaji (@13 or 15)
For the 5th pick
1. Ivey (trade up if needed)
If we trade into late lottery
3. Duren/WIlliams (assuming we're not getting Ayton)
Here are my top 3.
I placed a bet on Mathurin being the pick this morning, so rolling with that.
did similar bet but picked exact order of top 5. Smith, Chet, Banchero, Ivey, Mathurin
You can get that bet for +600 right now. Just picking Mathurin for the 5th pick is +135
I got Mathurin +210
Draft Murray, trade for Heyward and draft Duran. Then include Duran and Milwaukee 1st in sign and trade for Ayton
why the hell would we do that lol
Have a feeling Kings do something stupid and then we take Mathurin over Ivey at 5
just feels like the type of knee jerk move Weaver seems to make
Sounds like Banchero might go one now. Don’t think that changes the top three at all but who knows?
Banchero, Chet, Ivey, Murray, and we get Smith at 5.
There was some weird fuckery this morning based on something Woj did and the betting markets had Panchero 1 for a while, then books took it down and when it went back up Smith was favored again.