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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by DeToxRox, May 19, 2015.
They are perfect
We had this man in his prime and traded him away smh
Just lost to Houston lol. How is Edwards gonna spin this?
Gonna be hilarious tonight
oh no. The Pistons have to play a team at full str3ngth
He'll drop 35 by like halftime and sit rest of game because mavs up 40. Pistons get within 15 and lose and Edwards will have an article about how we outscored them by 25 in 2nd half which is a sign of how much progress we've had
He really said that about the recent Bucks game. Just had a bad first quarter, but outscored them the rest of the way!
that was what he was referencing dummy
Down 10-0 , 2 minutes into the game. Can the pistons win the final 46 minutes? Would be huge moral victory.
Narrator: they cannot
Tied at 13!
Top shot takers on each team last night
Luka 24 shots 53 pts
Hay3s 16 shots 8 pts
Havent seen Pistons beat tell us how wrong we were about Hay3s lately.....checks last 5 games : 9 ppg on 28% shooting while taking over 12 shots a game
cut him some slack
About 35% is funny way to phrase that too when it's actually 33%. Giving him an extra couple points
Also B33f St3w is 0-11 from 3 his last 6 games and 3-27 his last 10 games. Think that expirement is about dead
Also you can't talk shit about Killian leading team in shots when he can't shoot because at least he was missing open shots.....ugh James, maybe there is a reason he's being left open
How many times did you guys give up on Lauri Markkanen
Bey, Stewart, and Hayes all fucking suck. It’s amazing Weaver not getting any heat.
What heat would he get? He took over a team with Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose with no assets. He didn’t have the benefit of fleecing the Nets in a harden trade
Passing on Hailburton
Dude we drafted them when Blake was still on team. Didn't you know nothing counts towards the rebuild until his contract was off our books.
Being serious though I think it's tough to blame Weaver for too much at this point, but he's certainly lost his luster he had as some sort of genius and it's firmly in TBD territory at this point
Weaver is trying the Avila strategy of sucking ass every year and getting top 3 picks. Luckily it’s easier to convert higher picks in NBA.
Did you guys think this team was going to be good this year? Weaver is doing a great job
I don't think anyone would have expected this currently constructed team to be good and especially since Cade is out. But what exactly has Weaver done to describe his time here as "great"? I think the point Vin and a lot of pistons fans are making is this team isn't any closer to being competitive than when he took over, and some of his picks aren't looking as great now because they aren't developing and in Hayes case guys he took them over are looking like stars. You'd hope to see some promise, some development, some bright spots from the younger players that you just aren't seeing enough.
I'm not here to call Weaver a bad GM or a bust, but he's hardly done anything "great"
Also if our beat writers weren't trying to shove puff pieces down the fans throats that insult their intelligence I don't think there would be as much backlash. Think people are just calling out BS as much as anything
They’re definitely closer to being competitive than when Weaver took over
I think Weaver has been fine. Unlike Avila, he's clearly fucking trying.
If he traded Bogey, Burks and Bey right now to for picks and tanking, that would be more than Avila did. If he stands pat and only trades Nerlens, trying to make the playoffs next year with Cade back, he's still doing better than Avila by trading for valuable players.
Picking Killian over Haliburton was a mistake, but a lot of teams undervalued Haliburton (and Tyrese Maxey, and Saddiq Bey, and others).
This pistons rebuild was going to be a long one so I think it's TBD how he's doing, but I can get the frustration by lack of progress. And again I think it's more blowback from the constant puff pieces and refusal from the beat guys to accept any criticism and comments like Weaver is doing great without the results to back it up that are frustrating people.
This is a huge offseason for Weaver, because the Cade injury and general lack of development from the current roster without him has pushed other rebuilds like Orlando and Indiana past us as teams that are next in line or playoff spots in the East going forward. And that's not mentioning what OKC's doing right now in the West.
On top of them needing to add pieces to make the team more competitive, they also have to make decisions on current guys like Bey and Stewart who are up for extensions. I think they've overrated both for 2+ years now, and this year that has come to bite them. I think they need to decide between right now (as the deadline approaches) and the draft what to do with both players, because at this point neither one has played well enough to be considered an integral part on the next good Pistons team. At least not on the court. What Weaver does with that is something I'm curious to watch. As well as his decision on Casey, who seems like a great guy but isn't the coach this team needs to move forward with.
"Having conversations with the club, Troy (Weaver), and the owners, they assured me that we’re going to be great next year,” Bogdanovic told HoopsHype. “We have a lot of cap space to sign great players. We’re going to have a high pick again, so that’s going to help us a lot
Any praise of Orlando needs to note that Weaver acquired their current best player Bol Bol, for Rodney MacGruder.
Imagine Bol and Plumlee together
What a terrible job Weaver has done
Mason Plumlee out here shooting free throws left-handed like Hank Gathers
It was like the British Office. So cringy, but ultimately hilarious.
Edwards article on the trade deadline. Basically wrote 5,000 plus words to say The only way pistons trade somebody is if they get an offer they can’t refuse.
he’ll be on his knees to Weaver, no matter what he does though.
The NBA’s trade deadline is Thursday, Feb. 9, and the Pistons remain one of the biggest wild cards in the market. As of Saturday, Detroit sits at the bottom of the Eastern Conference. The Pistons, though, aren’t guaranteed to be sellers. Detroit’s Bojan Bogdanović continues to be the primary topic of conversation, per league sources with knowledge of the discussions, when rivals teams give the Pistons a ring. Veterans Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel, too, have garnered interest from teams, as well as young swingman Saddiq Bey.
Detroit’s intent moving forward has appeared to stay the same over the last month: It is not overly eager to part with Bogdanović, Burks or Bey, though everyone has a price and the Pistons have, and will continue to, have conversations all the way up until the final minutes before the deadline. When it comes to the coveted Bogdanović and Burks, Detroit holds all the leverage. The Pistons can take both into the summer as they are on friendly contracts for another season. Detroit, which is very much interested in moving up the standings next season, would benefit from having both veterans on the roster going forward, which is why there doesn’t appear to be much urgency to move off of Bogdanović and Burks — who I think is more likely to sign an extension than get traded — before Thursday’s deadline unless there are deals that are too good for the Pistons to pass up on.
Additionally, in talking to people around the league, it does appear that of Bogdanović, Burks and Bey, the latter may be the most gettable. However, a few league sources have recently told The Athletic that they would be surprised if Bey is traded.
When you connect the dots, though, it does make sense why people around the NBA view Bey as the most “gettable.” The Pistons have to start thinking about extensions for Bey, Isaiah Stewart and Killian Hayes (all of whom were first-round draft picks in 2020) this summer. Also, in the eyes of people around the league, the presence, extension and efficient scoring of Bogdanović, who plays a similar role to Bey, makes the latter more expendable. The Pistons, who very much need defensive help on the wing and perimeter, also have high hopes for second-year forward Isaiah Livers as a solid, 3-and-D piece moving forward, assuming the 24-year-old can stay healthy.
Even with all that said, I’ve gathered that it’s not a given that the Pistons part with Bey. At 23, he’s already a legit NBA player with room to improve. There certainly are reasons to hesitate when pondering any potential trades involving Bey, especially given his age, his ability to score in bunches and, despite being a streaky 3-point shooter the last two seasons, he is a respectable threat from distance. Again, I’m of the understanding that Detroit won’t deal Bey unless there is an offer the front office can’t refuse, but, of course, things can change in the days leading up to the deadline.
When examining the potential contract extensions of the players (Hayes, Stewart and Bey) drafted in 2020, one possible scenario is that Detroit takes two of the three all the way through next season and into restricted free agency (I think Isaiah Stewart is most likely to get an extension before October of 2023). How the NBA lottery, draft and free agency shakes out this summer for Detroit could dictate that, but it feels like an option to consider. Taking two of Hayes, Stewart and Bey into restricted free agency in the summer of 2024 gives the Pistons one more year of true evaluation with, what they hope, is a healthy Cade Cunningham and more competitive roster. Also, in Bey’s case, it can allow the Pistons to see where the soon-to-be 34-year-old Bogdanović is at that stage of his career before having to make a final decision on Bey’s future. Lastly, it also might help Detroit retain two of these players at a cheaper price, which will be dependent upon how rival teams value them.
There are options.
One thing that hasn’t been talked about a ton as it pertains to the Pistons and this trade deadline is the possibility of acquiring a defensive-minded wing. First-round picks (preferably unprotected) and a 3-and-D wing, league sources say, have been two things on Detroit’s wish list. Whether the Pistons get either before the trade deadline remains to be seen, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they acquired a versatile defender before Thursday’s deadline.
Here are some final thoughts/nuggets about Detroit heading into Thursday:
It wouldn’t surprise me if veteran guard Cory Joseph, who has been battling an injury, was involved in any trade deadline deal that the Pistons make. Joseph’s contract expires after this season, so a team looking for some cap relief could benefit from acquiring him.
Per league sources, the Heat, Nuggets, Mavericks, Kings, 76ers and Celtics have recently called the Pistons and inquired about Noel.
A Pistons-Jerami Grant reunion this summer in free agency? Don’t count it out.
Bey hasn't really developed in the areas he's needed to develop in the last two years so it's not some huge deal if we trade him, but it's really bizarre to me that either Casey or the org has prioritized Stewart over Bey as the guy they need to start and keep around after they drafted Duren. It makes zero sense in modern basketball to do that, just like it's made zero sense for them to have Bey trying to do all the offensive stuff he's tried to do the last two years at the expense of literally the only two things that will matter for him going forward: 3-point shooting and defense.
I think it’s madness that we didn’t want to pay Grant last off-season, and now we want to pay him this summer.
or why we would want to extend soon to be 32 year old Alec Burks when he has a team option on his deal already for next season.
Hear me out but maybe Weaver isn’t a great GM?
It's hilarious how far our beat guys (stretch calling him that, but he covers pistons) will go to defend Killian. His poor play lately is because he isn't starting anymore (like it wasn't embarrassing we were starting him to begin with)
Also this highlights how bad we are defensively. Edit click to expand tweet and see Bey also on list
Jaden a bum?
Whole team is bums, but we knew that