Detroit Pistons thread: With the exchange rate that’s a win streak

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  1. MG2

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    If what he says is true, that would also seem to take out the potential of hiring Lee or Collins and then Ollie being their assistant. Because no coach in that position should ever hire Ollie under these circumstances. You're just asking to be fired and for the GM to replace you with his guy mid-season.
     
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    My wishful thinking is that this is just his official goodbye to OTE. He said he was going to leave the post on March 23rd.
     
  7. DeToxRox

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    The Suns and Raptors are the only other teams with openings and I imagine we are not working off the same list. I get taking your time but it feels like we literally have been between Lee and Ollie for weeks now. Total shitshow.
     
  8. MG2

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    It's probably a shit show, but the counter to that is they have no reason to do anything quickly because it doesn't matter.

    There are still some rumblings that we might be waiting for Monty yet, too, but at this point it's hard to tell what is intel and what is people just guessing what the delay is.
     
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  9. DeToxRox

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    I agree with your counter but this team could use something resembling good PR at some point.
     
  10. MG2

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    Sure. I have no clue what they're doing, and the reporting seems like the Pistons don't, either. If I had to guess what's going on, they're either waiting for Monty Williams to tell them no for sure before going forward, or Gores/Tellem are making Weaver decide how badly he wants Ollie over Lee.

    I don't think Gores/Tellem are going to forbid him from hiring Ollie. If that was the case, they seemingly would have already hired Lee. If I had to guess, I think Gores/Tellem are basically looking at Weaver and saying "are you sure you want to tie everything you do here to this guy?" Because if it doesn't work, Weaver's going to be fired, too. There are only so many times in life you get to play the "I don't care what everyone else thinks. Just trust me." card. And playing that card and being wrong generally only ends one way. Is he really willing to use all those chips for Kevin Ollie, who hasn't coached a game since 2018?
     
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    Nearly two months after Dwane Casey stepped down from his role as head coach, the Detroit Pistons are heavily pursuing Monty Williams, the NBA’s winningest coach since 2021, to be their next man in charge, league sources tell The Athletic.

    The Pistons are preparing to offer Williams in the range of $10 million per year, league sources said, which would put him among the league’s highest-paid coaches. Detroit has been hopeful over the past several weeks that Williams would consider accepting the job, sources added.

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    With general manager Troy Weaver leading the charge, the Pistons made it clear that they’d enter their coaching search with the intention of slow-playing the process. Detroit identified names such as Milwaukee Bucks associate head coach Charles Lee, former University of Connecticut and Overtime Elite coach Kevin Ollie and New Orleans Pelicans assistant Jarron Collins as potential successors to Casey but have kept an open mind depending on which head coaches under contract would become available.

    If Williams declines the proposal, Lee, a Bucks assistant since 2018, is expected to emerge as the likely choice, league sources said.

    Since the start of the first round of the NBA playoffs, four coaches — Williams (Suns), Mike Budenholzer (Bucks), Doc Rivers (76ers) and Nick Nurse (Raptors) — have been fired. Williams, immediately, was on Detroit’s radar, per league sources. Milwaukee, too, heavily pursued Williams, per league sources.

    Initially, Williams told teams — including the Pistons — that he was interested in taking a year off. The 51-year-old, who led the Suns to the NBA Finals in 2021 and won Coach of the Year in 2022, is still owed, roughly, $21 million over the next three years by Phoenix.

    However, Weaver, Pistons owner Tom Gores and others in Detroit’s organization have continued to pursue Williams. Gores and Weaver have met twice with Lee and Ollie, as both remain in consideration for the job, but always had the intentions of making a serious run at Williams assuming he was seriously considering taking another job.

    This type of financial commitment is on brand for Gores, who bought the team in 2011 and had a 51 percent stake in the organization until 2015, when he became the sole owner. He likes to make a splash when it comes to hiring a coach. He likes the big name. In 2014, Gores hired Stan Van Gundy to be both the head coach and president of basketball operations, which enticed Van Gundy to head to the Motor City over Golden State. In 2018, when Van Gundy and the Pistons parted ways, Gores put the full-court press on Dwane Casey, the reigning Coach of the Year who had just been fired by the Raptors.
     
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  13. MG2

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    That makes sense for why the delay in hiring. I don't think Monty Williams is the kind of coach I'd try to buy into him taking your job when he probably doesn't want it.
     
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  14. DeToxRox

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    How do you justify giving 10 mil a year to Monty? By making Ollie a finalist.
     
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  15. DetroitIrish3

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    Gladly would take Ollie on as an assistant with Monty to help with culture and development.
     
  16. hoss2183

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    Not sure why anyone would want to come to Detroit unless you pay top dollar. Who cares how much you pay the coach if it is the guy they want??
     
  17. Tug

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    It’s not my money, spend away Gores
     
  18. DeToxRox

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    Whether he spends the money on blow or the Pistons, I’m entertained equally.
     
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  19. MG2

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    Everyone is going to focus on the Monty part of that story, but the secondary headline buried in the middle is that Lee is expected to be the hire if Williams declines.
     
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  22. MG2

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    Well alright then
     
  23. DeToxRox

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  24. MG2

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    This afternoon was a bold negotiating tactic when Gores/Weaver basically leaked to The Athletic that Monty could pick his salary if he was willing to come here
     
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    Gores: you want Ollie as coach?
    Troy: yep.
    Arn: ((waves hand across throat))
    Gores: I'll give you $12m a year to spend to make that not happen.
     
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  26. smeegsgreen

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    Who cares the guy is a billionaire
     
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    Arn: ((waives hand more vigorously))
    Gores: I'll go to $13m, plus whatever is in my pockets
     
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  30. DetroitIrish3

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    A cocaine bullet
     
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  31. MG2

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    Monty Williams and the Detroit Pistons have agreed in principle on a six-year, $78.5 million deal for Williams to become the franchise’s new head coach, league sources told The Athletic on Wednesday. The deal has team options for Years 7 and 8 and could reach close to $100 million in totality with incentives, league sources said. It is expected to be finalized in the coming days.

    The Athletic first reported earlier Wednesday that the Pistons were heavily pursuing Williams to replace Dwane Casey.

    The weekend before Memorial Day, back in Los Angeles, Pistons owner Tom Gores, general manager Troy Weaver and others in Detroit’s front office held a meeting to figure out what to do about a coaching vacancy that had been unsettled for nearly two months. Up to this point, the Pistons’ intentionally slow-played process had led them to close to a dozen interviewed candidates, according to team sources, with Charles Lee and Kevin Ollie, both of whom had never been an NBA head coach before, leading the pack.

    Both Lee, the Milwaukee Bucks’ lead assistant and Ollie, the former UConn and Overtime Elite coach, had impressed in different ways, per team sources granted anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the hiring process. But there was a gut feeling among the collective that the search needed to continue.

    That’s when Gores raised the question to the group:

    “What if we go back to Monty?”

    Two weeks prior, Williams, the 2022 NBA Coach of the Year, was fired by the Phoenix Suns after a Western Conference semifinals exit. Detroit, according to league sources, immediately checked in with Williams and his representatives to gauge his interest in its coaching vacancy and, to put it simply, see if he’d like to meet. Williams, though, had informed the Pistons, Bucks and other NBA teams interested in hiring him that he was not ready to commit to coaching next season and was leaning toward taking a year off, per league sources. The Pistons didn’t make a formal offer to Williams at that time, multiple sources said.

    This time around, Gores, Weaver and the rest of the Pistons’ front office decided to not take “no” for an answer and put numbers in front of Williams, as well as a plan to court and entice him to come help an up-and-coming squad get to the next level, as he had done with the Suns, rather than sit out a season. The next day after that collective meeting, Gores sent a private plane to Phoenix to pick up Williams, per league sources. The 51-year-old coach was in Gores’ California living room that night.

    A week later, Williams has agreed to a lucrative deal making him the highest-paid coach in the NBA. Williams is the winningest coach in the league since 2021, when he helped lead the Suns to the NBA Finals.

    Williams is, without question, a home-run hire for Detroit. A strong case could be made that he was the best available candidate to hit the open market. He took over a Suns team in 2019 that had just 19 wins the year before and turned them into a 34-win team in his first season before Phoenix became one of the NBA’s premier squads. The Pistons are in a similar position to that Suns team of 2019, coming off a 17-win season but with promising franchise building blocks in the likes of Cade Cunningham, Jaden Ivey, Jalen Duren and Isaiah Stewart, as well as the No. 5 pick in this year’s draft.

    Detroit saw Williams as the perfect fit for its team at this point in time. Weaver and Williams overlapped in Oklahoma City, and when the door opened for the Pistons to make a move, Gores, Weaver and company put all of their chips into the middle of the table.

    During the initial conversations in which Williams told teams, including Detroit, that he was leaning toward taking next season off — Phoenix owes him roughly $21 million over the next three years — he did mention that the Pistons, along with another team, would be a job he’d consider taking if he were to come back to the sideline next season, per league sources. The heavy pursuit from Weaver, Arn Tellem and Gores, along with a lucrative commitment and fondness for Detroit’s young core, ultimately, was too good for Williams to pass up.

    On Memorial Day, the day after Williams met Gores at his home, Gores and his team put a memorandum in front of Williams that laid out loose terms and other incentives and extras. The two sides agreed to the fundamentals of the terms, but Williams took a few days to ponder the decision with his family before making it official, team sources said.

    In the end, Detroit’s offer was too sweet for Williams to sit out next season, and the Pistons turned a long and potentially uninspiring coaching search into, arguably, the biggest splash of the offseason so far.

    It took time, longer than some would have liked, but in the end, Detroit’s approach, patience and commitment to building the historic franchise back into a regular winner paid off: The Pistons landed one of the best coaches in the NBA.
     
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  32. DetroitIrish3

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    “What if we go back to Monty?”
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  33. MG2

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    To be clear, I don't care how much they're paying him if he's good. The only thing that matters about pro coach salaries is if they're so high you can't fire them when you should.
     
  34. Vinegar Strokes

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    I love how Edwards gives credit to Weaver here. It’s not like he opened up his wallet.

     
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  35. DeToxRox

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    So is Cam Johnson now our top priority in FA?
     
  36. hoss2183

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    Props to Gores. At least someone in this city is willing to spend some money.
     
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  37. DeToxRox

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    Gores has been bad because he’s willing to spend whatever it takes but he seems to be terrible at hiring people who know basketball. Hopefully it works this time.
     
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    Crazy to think Stanley Johnson is younger than Cam Johnson
     
  39. MG2

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    I hope not. Either Brooklyn is matching or you're paying a batshit crazy amount to him to get them not to.
     
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  40. MG2

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    Our glut of bigs would seem like a weird fit for what Monty did in Phoenix. They were really small in the front court, and I'm not sure if that was by design or necessity. His teams with Anthony Davis in New Orleans played much bigger. I hope we're not reverting back to that.
     
  41. Tug

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    Is it really a “glut” of bigs? If Bagley or Wiseman fall out of the rotation I don’t think anyone should care
     
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  42. MG2

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    I think the GM cares
     
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  43. Lip

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    No E/3s in his name so what do we call him

    Or just butcher it and go with Mont3 Williams?

    Monty William$?
     
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  44. MG2

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    I feel bad for him because he seems to be going through some personal stuff with his wife's health, but he just can't help himself.

     
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    If they just make his ass constantly shoot over the summer an absurd amount, maybe we’d see improvement there.
     
  46. DetroitNole

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    Damn didn't realize the stuff about his wife, sad to hear. Also saw the go fund me for her said he also delivers pizzas, so that gig must not be paying him. We'll have to let his awful Killian takes slide for a while and just all laugh at Jam3s
     
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  48. Vinegar Strokes

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    What’s Edwards nickname going to be for him?
     
  49. DeToxRox

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  50. MG2

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    Good for him. I kind of feel bad that his name got dragged for the last two months because Weaver was trying to push him for a job his resume says he shouldn't have gotten.
     
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