Detroit Pistons thread: With the exchange rate that’s a win streak

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  1. Tug

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    Smith got the triple double
     
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  2. DeToxRox

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    And Plumlee too
     
  3. DetroitIrish3

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    Just didn’t think I’d ever see the top 3 scorers for the Pistons in a game be:
    Wayne Ellington
    Rodney McGruder
    Saben Lee
     
  4. MG2

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    I want to like Saben Lee, but his jump shot looks like a full body dry heave and I just don't see how he fixes that at this point.
     
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  5. Tug

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    If hes always at the rim it doesn’t matter
     
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  6. DeToxRox

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    Shams

    The two teams have been pegged by rival teams as sellers. Sources tell me and The Athletic’s James Edwards III that the Pistons are expected to work toward a contract buyout with forward Blake Griffin, and sharpshooter Wayne Ellington is expected to receive interest from contending teams.

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    Among top trade targets for the Celtics: Detroit’s Jerami Grant, sources said. Grant is having a breakout season, averaging 23.4 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.1 steals per game. He is a leader for the Most Improved Player of the Year award.
     
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  7. Tug

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    Are they going to give us Tatum or Brown?
     
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  8. buckwild

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    Edwards said yesterday he doesn't think the Pistons have any interest in moving Grant.
     
  9. DeToxRox

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    I doubt it happens, but if Boston is going to break the bank for him, I could see it happening.
     
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  10. Tug

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    Danny Ainge has never made a trade where he was not the clear winner. They will offer something like a late 1 and whine that we didn’t do it.

    Trade rumors involving the Celtics are a waste of time
     
  11. MG2

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    truer words have never been posted on this website
     
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  13. DeToxRox

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    Good for him
     
  14. Vinegar Strokes

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    What’s the buyout. It will determine whether I root for his ass or not.
     
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  15. DeToxRox

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    Hasn’t been reported yet
     
  16. Tug

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    So what are we going to do with $40m of cap space?
     
  17. MG2

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    I'm going to be really annoyed if they stretch his deal. We don't need cap space this summer. Just eat the money next year and get it over with.
     
  18. RalfBully

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    preach bro. and i wont be cheering for the Nets regardless
     
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  19. Lip

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    COVID didn’t kill your bitchass yet?
     
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  20. Tug

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    Wouldn’t the buyout void the player option?
     
  21. MG2

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    No. That money is guaranteed unless Blake declines it
     
  22. Tug

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    Right, but wouldn’t that be part of the buyout?
     
  23. MG2

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    No. They'll owe him his entire salary for this year, and then how much they owe him next year is what they negotiated for the buyout. If Blake is giving up nothing, we'd be paying him $39M next year. If he's giving up $20M, we're paying him $19M, etc. We're buying him out of some of that money for next year, but we're still on the hook for however much is still on the table.
     
  24. smeegsgreen

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    Why aren’t the details released yet? It’s been 2 hours.
     
  25. DeToxRox

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    Gores is paying him in singles
     
  26. smeegsgreen

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    He seems like a guy who would do his blow in singles vs 100s
     
  27. DeToxRox

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  28. buckwild

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    I have no frame of reference to know if this was good or not.
     
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  29. smeegsgreen

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    Explain this for us MG2
     
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  30. smeegsgreen

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    He’s not a plus player not sure why Brooklyn would sign him unless it’s for another favor just to win a championship
     
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  31. DeToxRox

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  32. MG2

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    I'm pretty sure all of that $13.3M is next year, which means instead of releasing him and Blake counting $39M against next year's cap, he will count $26M against the cap, and there's nothing we can do with that money (it's dead cap like Stafford's dead cap). We just have to eat it.
     
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  33. MG2

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    I'm guessing most cap/front office nerds in media will say we're stupid. I think Bobby Marks said something a few weeks back that we shouldn't buy him out unless he gives up 50% of his salary next year.

    I don't think that's practical. It doesn't make sense for us to keep playing Blake minutes, we can't just sit him on the bench given his status, and just sending him home for the next year while we pretend we might trade him is shitty business and we would get destroyed for it. I think this is the best they could do with a shitty situation that isn't anyone involved's fault (except Gores, probably).
     
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  34. Tug

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    They have zero depth after the harden trade. He would be fine for 15 min off the bench
     
  35. smeegsgreen

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    Missing 3s was his forte!
     
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  36. buckwild

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    It's still stunning that he can't find a way to dunk or block a shot. Hard to believe there aren't better options for guys that just want to float around the arc and not play defense.
     
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  37. DeToxRox

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    I remember Marks calling a buyout a dumb idea but he said we did right by this movie tonight

     
  38. smeegsgreen

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    We can’t listen to 4 minutes, cliffs?
     
  39. DeToxRox

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    It’s a win/win, especially since we aren’t stretching his buyout.
     
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  40. DeToxRox

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    I appreciate Weaver’s candor

     
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  42. Manny

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    The Bruce Brown trade and the Wood debacle are unforgiveable.
     
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  43. MG2

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    I'm not mad at them for trading Brown. Getting what they did was inexcusable.

    I'll also never understand how adding Wood to that S&T with Houston somehow only meant our pick going forward was top 16 instead of 14 protected, or whatever. Houston had no other way of acquiring him. We had leverage. Us putting him in that deal cost us nothing. And that's the best he could do?
     
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  44. smeegsgreen

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    What about the Blake griffin trade and josh smith/Ben Gordon/Charlie v signings from the previous regimes?
     
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  45. DeToxRox

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    The worst thing about Weaver is how wet our beat writers are for him. It’s embarrassing.
     
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  46. Manny

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    Obviously the impact of the Weaver moves are less so in comparison to the ones you've mentioned, they are just incredibly dumb and indefensible. The Wood thing will never make sense and the Brown return was essentially nothing.

    Griffin trade in theory is defensible and they shot their shot and it just didn't work out, sometimes that's what happens.

    Those FA signings were a disaster but their were a ton of disasters around the league during that time. The Chauncey trade was worse imo.
     
  47. Tug

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    Hes looking for people first then the players. He didn’t want Brown and Wood on the roster. Have to assume he didn’t see them fitting into the culture he wants to build here.

    Id rather have Grant, Plumlee, Stewart than Wood
     
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  48. DeToxRox

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    I don’t think either guy was moved as a culture thing. In the case of Wood, it seems like the consensus is the team wanted him back, but they were going to budge on the price.

    Brown was weird because the assumption is the value we got back was super low, and truthfully, it seems like that’s the case. Based on what the team looks like today, I understand why Brown was moved. I just think we sold low, and that’s fair.

    That said, I don’t think we lost some stud player in Brown. We did lose a decent asset for very little though imo
     
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  49. Manny

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    I don't care that they traded Brown, its that they got nothing for him, and the environments are drastically different but if you watch Brooklyn at all he has been fucking awesome on that team. It is picking nits but its a move that deserve scrutiny.

    Fans and writers jacking Weaver off is so lame.
     
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  50. Tug

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    Brown was part of the Saddiq Bey trade