I don’t mind the pickups as it’s clear he’s still not going for it….yet. Olynik’s contract will probably be pretty easy to trade in a year or so and neither Lyles nor Joseph have long deals at all. This year was always going to be about seeing the core group mesh even further, especially after adding Cade, then going for it while we still have multiple guys on rookie deals with more cap space next year.
As bad as Lauer signing was, it didn't even really register with how bad contracts were that year 3. Andre Drummond (C) *5 years, $130M 8. Nicolas Batum (SF) *5 years, $120M 9. Hassan Whiteside (C) *4 years, $98M 11. Dwight Howard (C) *3 years, $70.5M 16. Chandler Parsons (SF) *4 years, $98.5M 18. Kent Bazemore (SF) *4 years, $70M 19. Ryan Anderson (PF) * 4 years, $80M 20. Bismack Biyombo (C) * 4 years, $72M 21. Jordan Clarkson (PG) *4 years, $50M 23. Evan Turner (SG) *4 years, $70M 26. Harrison Barnes (SF) *4 years, $94M 28. Evan Fournier (SG) *5 years, $85M 30. Allen Crabbe (SG) *4 years, $75M 32. Ian Mahinmi (C) *4 years, $64M 35. Boban Marjanovic (C) *3 years, $21M 39. Joakim Noah (C) *4 years, $72M 43. Luol Deng (SF) *4 years, $72M 51. Tyler Johnson (SG) *4 years, $50M 62. Timofey Mozgov (C) *4 years, $65M
PG - Hayes, Joseph, Lee (RFA) SG - Cunningham, Diallo (RFA), Jackson (RFA), McGruder SF - Bey, Jackson, Smith (2-way) PF - Grant, Doumboya, Lyles, Livers C - Stewart, Olynyk, Okafor, Garza, Koprivica That's 19 guys. I'm assuming we're releasing McGruder instead of paying him $5M this year, but haven't seen it reported for sure yet. That roster seems very heavy on bigs, and makes me think Livers might be on a 2-way (meaning not officially taking up a roster spot) and I continue to think Koprivica is going to be stashed somewhere in Europe or elsewhere for at least a year instead of signing.
If you're not going for it next year, why move down 20 spots in draft to dump one contract for a rotation big just to sign another for more money and longer? Very odd offseason to me minus picking Cade
I'm also hoping that one or both of Joseph/Lyles has that second year not guaranteed. Lyles, especially.
We traded a center on a “meh” contract with no outside shot and got a guy that shoots 34% from 3 at the same position and has a more easily tradable contract at a later date seemingly. We upgraded outside shooting. This gives us a chance with Olynyk to see where the team is next summer and he’s a damn solid role player if he’s on a competing team. We’re not going for it now, but now we at least have secured a player that could play a solid role on a hopefully deep team the following season or be trade bait.
I’m not really upset or anything. Olynyk is meh, but the rest is fine so far. I just sorta hoped we’d roll with our young guys and Grant and see what happened. That was probably never realistic.
We have Cade so I’m not really worried about what happens with the rest of the roster this Summer. The glow won’t wear off until Vinegar Strokes calls him a bust during his first Summer League game.
This is them rolling with the young guys and seeing what happens. Nothing they did is going to stop them from playing the young guys as many minutes as they want, unless you were hoping Garza was going to get 10+ minutes a night or something like that.
I think Sekou is on the clock and needs to take a big step forward to start the season, but I'm not ready to say they're just going to dump him before the season. The best time to do that was before the draft, and they didn't do it (probably because he doesn't have much value). I don't think Lyles and Livers push out Sekou until Sekou proves he's not better than them.
Sekou is still only 20. Livers is 23 and Garza is 22. Not sure you completely write him off yet. He is I think still the 4th youngest guy on the team (Hayes, Cunningham and Stewart younger)
Well, yeah, they could just not play Olynyk or Joseph if they want, but that’s not gonna happen. I was saying I’d like a rotation of Cade, Hayes, Lee, Diallo, Grant, Bey, Stewart, Doumboya plus a 10 mpg FA center. Joseph and Olynyk are going to eat away at that.
If Lee is clearly better than Joseph, he'll be the back-up PG. If he's not, he'll be in the G League developing that way. Joseph is here to be a competent vet for the young guards. He's not hurting anyone. Stewart isn't playing 35 minutes a night. He's going to play 28-30, maybe. Olynyk will get 20 minutes as the back-up 5, and maybe playing a bit at the 4 if they want to go big on random nights. This is what those kinds of guys make on the market at the high end. They were never going to go all youth. Weaver and Casey have made that clear from the jump, and based on the way the young guys developed last year with that model, I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt that they have a plan with what they're doing when it comes to that.
That team option makes it a lot more acceptable. Basically swapped Plumlee at 2 years left at 8 mil for Olynyk at 2 years and around 12 mil. I honestly can say I haven't watched too much Olynyk but he looks like an upgrade
I’ve come around on it. He’s performed in big games and he was carrying an awful team the second half of last year. It’s just going to be terrible to watch
I agree I dont like years signings but realistically I'm not sure how much was available for us. Kind of a weaker FA class. I'm glad we didn't give out a long term awful contract
So of the four local teams, is it safe to assume the Pistons will be the first to make it into the playoffs? I don’t anticipate it happening this year, but I wouldn’t dismiss the idea out of hand. The Wings aren’t going to make it this season, and probably need a crazy offseason next year to make it in 2022. I would think the Pistons are a playoff team next season.
I think Wings and Pistons both have a shot in 2022. Depends on what wings do but they have a few young guys who could develop and have cap space to keep surrounding them. I'm talking 7 or 8 seed, but I can see a 2022 playoff push unless they sell of guys like Bertuzzi and Vrana. Pistons I think 2022 is the target year too. Think their ceiling is even higher, I could see them as a mid level seed in 2022, depending on who they convince to come with the cap space
In fact, every Detroit team making the playoffs in their season that starts in 2022. Welcome back, Detroit sports.
I think we need to wait to see something tangible from the Lions, but signs are pointing that way. With the others, the cumulative weight of years of high draft picks from sucking sooooo badly are paying off!
I guess, technically, the Lions never have hope. But they do seem to have a likeable and functional front office now.
I was alive when the Lions were the toast of the NFL. Barely. But I have limited confidence that will happen again.
Official roster hasn't been released but apparently Bey, Killian and Sekou are joining Cade on our summer league roster. May be first time I watch some summer league games
What are we doing with all our RFA and other unsigned players? Feel like our roster is way over 15, but then again a few guys not actually signed. Weird there seems to be no news on any of them
I think they’re waiting on offers from other teams. They may not come considering the lack of cap space out there, but it doesn’t make sense for them to rush to re-up with Detroit. So we’re at a standstill.
Pistons beat writers are the worst. They were feeding the company line of tanking is not the answer for last 8 seasons, now they’re all excited that we have Cade.