Detroit Pistons thread: With the exchange rate that’s a win streak

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  1. MG2

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    I watched a 2 minute highlight of him on YouTube.

    I have decided that he jumps very high, and that his jump shot may be the ugliest thing I've ever seen.
     
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  2. MG2

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    There was a tweet earlier today about a bunch of teams trying to find deals with guys in the 2nd round as 2-way players or smaller guarantees than normal in the 2nd round. I haven't seen this reported anywhere, but if I had to guess part of the reason we jumped into the 38th pick and took someone who isn't rated as high is because we have some kind of agreement with Lee where he'd be on a 2-way deal instead of having any guaranteed money on the books this year.

    We did the same thing with Bone last year.
     
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  3. DeToxRox

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    So I have no clue if the picks are good, but Weaver gets an A from me for emphatically picking what direction he’s taking this team. First time in a decade this franchise doesn’t feel rudderless.
     
  4. MG2

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    Same. I think there's going to be a lot of mixed reaction when people post the draft grades tonight/tomorrow. I know Pelton at ESPN already said we were one of the losers of the first round because he thought the Houston trade was dumb. But I appreciate that we're finally doing this, whether it's because Weaver is smarter than our previous FO or if Gores has just finally given in and allowed it to happen.
     
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  5. MG2

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    I love the Hayes and Bey picks. Stewart is "meh" for me, but I'm just basing that on skepticism off his scouting report. Lee is a complete swing for the fences who is 95% likely to never play a meaningful minute in the league.

    McGruder and Bradley are bodies who could maybe play in a rotation next year if we need someone. Hayes and Bey should get significant minutes, and hopefully they're starting by at least the midway point (I could see Casey starting Rose just a favor to keep him engaged).
     
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  6. DeToxRox

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  7. DeToxRox

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    Stewart will probably be a fan favorite, but he’s never going to be 16th overall good imo. He doesn’t seem like he will ever be an anchor though.

    I think Hayes can be a star and Bey should just be very, very solid.
     
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  8. DeToxRox

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    Weaver sure doesn’t mind being candid

     
  9. DeToxRox

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    So the season starts in a month, right? This team is going to be a real clusterfuck early on, with no real camp to speak of, and all these new faces.
     
  10. DeToxRox

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  11. MG2

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    I feel like "first round grade" thing has been said about every 2nd rounder we've taken ever.
     
  12. MG2

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    Thinking about it now, I wonder if Casey starts Rose and Hayes together. Our other options at the 2 are probably Snell, Svi and McGruder. Would be one way to take some pressure off Hayes while also giving him a lot of minutes to get his feet wet.
     
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  13. DeToxRox

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    So it seems like the assumption now is Wood gets moved in an S&T, barring the market just basically not existing for him?
     
  14. Randy Bobandy

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    :blessed:
    :ahh:
     
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  15. DeToxRox

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    I see no reason to question this random persons math

     
  16. MG2

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    Do the rookie salaries count towards the cap before they're signed? Because that part seems important.
     
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  17. DeToxRox

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    Curveball
     
  18. MG2

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    We can't go over the cap to sign him, so unless we're able to clear some cap pretty quick I don't think a S&T is very likely.
     
  19. Brocktoon

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    Do those cap figures include Ariza? Assume he will be bought out but don't know if there was a clear answer on how much his cap hit would be
     
  20. MG2

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    If this is accurate, I'd say that gives us a pretty good shot at either resigning Wood or getting an asset back via S&T unless Charlotte offers him something that would end up being in the range of 3 or 4 years at $16M+ per year.

     
  21. MG2

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    On second (or eighth) thought...

     
  22. Tug

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    Im going to be mad whenever we convey that first
     
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  23. smeegsgreen

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    We can be mad together then. No clue why you ever trade a first in a middle of a rebuild. Heavily protected or not
     
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  24. MG2

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    I would like to know if we were aware of how much Ariza was going to cost before that trade. And, if we thought it was one thing and it turned into another, can we change the trade to increase those protections? Because that's kind of bullshit.
     
  25. smeegsgreen

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    So no Christian Wood then
     
  26. Tug

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    That trade should have been for a protected second from the start
     
  27. DetroitNole

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    Yea I dont get it. We traded a future first for a current mid round first and are eating a big contract? Sounds like not a great trade
     
  28. Brocktoon

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    so getting Stewart basically cost a future 1st, re-signing Wood and $12 million
     
  29. Tug

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    Houston fleeced us
     
  30. smeegsgreen

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    Maybe we aren’t rebuilding yikes
     
  31. Brocktoon

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    it's weird because every other move Weaver made seems smart, this one, including taking a player that projects as an energy bench guy, doesn't make sense
     
  32. DeToxRox

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  33. Manny

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    It is protected you potatoes

    It’ll be top-16 protected for the next four years, starting in 2021, then top-10 protected for two years and top-nine protected for one year. It would become a second-rounder if it still hasn’t changed hands at that point.
     
  34. DeToxRox

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    The issue is that if we are taking his entire salary, we shouldn’t have had to give back anything, let alone a first
     
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  35. MG2

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    The only real problem with trading the protected pick, as Kevin Pelton noted at ESPN, is it ties up that pick in trades. Since the pick has protections so long into the future, it stops us from being able to just decide one day "we're going to trade our 2024 1st round pick". We would have to then go back to Houston and figure out a way to change that protection on it.

    Trading a pick that might be #12 six years from now so we can pick 16th this year seems very worth it to me.
     
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  36. Tug

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    We know that but it’s still a bad trade
     
  37. smeegsgreen

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    Should we fire Weaver yet?
     
  38. Tug

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    No I like Stewart as a prospect and feel like Weaver was trying to replicate what they found in Serge Ibaka when he was with Seattle/OKC.

    I just don’t like that we gave up a 1 to take on salary when every other team in the league is banking 1sts for taking on salary
     
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  39. Manny

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    People aren't banking 1st round picks for eating 12 million lol.
     
  40. MG2

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    So Wood is almost certainly gone, now. I don't know why else you'd do this deal.

     
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  41. Manny

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    Asset management wise the trade seems fine. Weaver said he had a number in mind for Wood, I'm assuming he knew the conditions of the Ariza deal and that wouldn't affect what he was willing to give Wood. And if Wood wants more several people ITT didn't want him back anyway and to tank.

    So it comes down to is eating 12 million in expiring money with space you weren't going use worth getting a first rounder now opposed to 5 years from now?

    Some seem upset because they don't like Stewart and its jading the move. If that's the case, fine, but in a vacuum the trade is okay. Not ideal but not some blunder.
     
  42. Tug

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    houston did then flipped that 12 m lol
     
  43. DeToxRox

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    It also clears out our wing logjam
     
  44. DeToxRox

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    Dedmon allegedly only has one mil guaranteed for next season, but now I don’t know what to believe.
     
  45. buckwild

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  46. MG2

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    That is accurate
     
  47. MG2

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    I think the focus here is Wood, though. Because if they're still hoping to resign Wood, there's a bigger logjam at the 5 than there was on the wing.

    Snell wasn't stopping them from playing anyone on the wing they wanted to play. Casey would have been the only person capable of doing that because he probably would have preferred to play him over young guys who are going to do a bunch of dumb stuff.
     
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  48. DeToxRox

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    Fair point.

    I really don’t think Weaver is done at this point, so I’m just going along for the ride.
     
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