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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by DeToxRox, May 19, 2015.
While that’s cool, it doesn’t exactly scream master plan.
They definitely lucked into that one.
Still kills me that they traded for Dedmon with the plan to create $3M in dead money for 5 years, like it was a good idea. Even if Grant said no, seems like they were just going to go offer it to someone else until someone took it.
I still don’t understand the purpose of that trade. Was waiving the other guy in the deal (already forgot his name) ourselves going to be the difference in signing Grant?
If they had kept Snell and waive/stretched him, it would have been $12.1M stretched out over 3 years since he's in the last year of his deal.
Dedmon has 2 years left on his deal, but only one more year guaranteed. That allowed them to stretch his deal (essentially $14.3M) out over 5 years.
They're saving a little over one million per year while spreading it out over 2 extra years.
Ahh makes sense.
Understandable deal that creates a clearer path to PT for Stewart next year, although I bet Okafor starts as the back-up 5.
Was hoping a Philly deal would be for Rose. Still think that could come down the road.
We let my 11 year old nephew into our fantasy football league league a couple years ago and he's constantly offering people random trades and he's somehow less prolific than the GM of the Detroit Pistons.
He won the league his first year.
Zhaire is the type of guy we should be bringing in. Hopefully, he can develop into a nice player and we can let him walk for nothing and sign a lesser player for more money than Zhaire would have cost.
Just a baffling offseason
This guy is insane.
I agree but I’d rather have this than SVG doing whatever he did
Why does it feel like we’re just doing favors for other teams this offseason
That definitely seems like the kind of favor that deserves more than a bad Euro player who will never come over. At least give us a couple 2s for the trouble.
Why take on the extra administrative burden of those rights
Based on how this week has gone, those rights will be traded within the next 48 hours.
With how this weeks going we’re going to throw in 2 2s and sign this guy to an nba contract so they can stretch him
Tis the season?
After attempting a deep dive into the moves we made and how the roster landed where it did, I've landed on the essential decision that was made:
We traded Tony Snell (1/$12M) for Jerami Grant (3/$60M)
In order to make that money work on top of the other trades we made, we had to eat $14M spread out over 5 years in dead cap, and potentially another $1-2M in dead cap elsewhere in order to make it work under the cap and have the roster space to do other things.
If we don't make that trade, while doing pretty much everything else, our roster looks something like:
PG - Hayes, Rose, Wright, Lee
SG - Snell, Svi, McGruder
SF - Jackson, Bey, Musa
PF - Griffin, Doumboya
C - Plumlee, Bradley, Okafor, Stewart
We probably would have had to waive/stretch McGruder, which would cost $1M per over 5 years to sign Plumlee, but that's the basic gist of it.
I feel like you have to really, really love Jerami Grant to believe where we ended up is anything more than maybe an extra 2-3 wins better than that.
Is this bad?
It's probably the minimum $$ you can send for a transaction when you aren't giving anything up.
Guys... stay with me here... I don't think this Weaver guy knows what he is doing.
It's not just the few extra wins, he's killed all cap flexibility for the next 2 years. Probably could have picked up least an extra 1st if not more with the space these guys are eating up.
Weirdest Game of Six-Dimensional Chess Award: Detroit Pistons
Detroit has done a lot of stuff, and it doesn’t appear to be done. In GM Troy Weaver’s first offseason at the helm, the rebuilding Pistons nonetheless shipped out their three best young players in Christian Wood, Bruce Brown and Luke Kennard, sent out five second-round picks and a future first, acquired two first-round picks and two seconds, and used cap room to sign Jerami Grant and Mason Plumlee. This calculation may change pending future moves.
Other than kicking off a rebuild by trading their best young players, the most bizarre part of all this was the Pistons acquiring contracts specifically for the purpose of using the stretch provision on them, all to enable signing middling vets Grant (three years, $60 million) and Plumlee (three years, $25 million) to contracts that stretched any rational conception of their value to its absolute limit.
Trading Kennard for a first-round pick might have made sense, except Detroit also included four second-round picks for the galaxy brain purposes of having Rodney McGruder’s contract around for using the stretch provision. The Pistons got Saddiq Bey with the 19th pick in that deal, and several teams liked him, but just on value the four seconds might have more equity, and obviously going from Kennard to McGruder was a massive downgrade. The fact that three of the future seconds were Detroit’s own suggests a cognitive dissonance between what the Clippers’ front office thinks of the Pistons’ future and what Detroit does.
The Pistons made a similar deal by trading Tony Snell for the more stretchable contract of Dewayne Dedmon, and then more oddly swapped Tony Bradley for Zhaire Smith just to waive Smith. Bradley isn’t a dominant player or anything, but he can actually play and Detroit did good business by having Utah pay them a second-round pick to take him. Instead, the Pistons will likely stretch Smith … and it turns out they probably won’t need to stretch McGruder.
We’re still seeing how all the mechanics of this play out. There are two deals with Houston that seem to be the Rockets pretending to “buy” a second-round pick when they’re actually paying part of Trevor Ariza’s salary for Detroit to take him. That transaction essentially sent out a protected future first for a present one (the 16th pick), at a cost of taking Ariza into cap space and Houston paying some of his salary.
Meanwhile, Wood was far and away Detroit’s best player at the end of last season and is 25 years old, and yet the Pistons never seemed all that interested in keeping him. The Pistons all but gave him to Houston in a sign-and-trade, in return for a second-round pick and rewriting some protections on the first they owe from the Ariza trade.
All that, and a few million in cap charges over the next five years once they stretch Dedmon and Smith, just so they could build a team around Jerami Grant and Mason Plumlee. Alrighty then.
Is there an update on what those protections are on the pick we're sending Houston? I haven't seen anything other than Edwards saying it's now more heavily protected.
Still looking myself
Long post about the cap mechanics from some guy I've never heard of but seems like he knows what he's talking about (?).
Here is the projected salaries and how they play out the next 3 years. I kind of expect Josh Jackson's salary to be more than he does, but I could be wrong there.
lol. Yeah, James. Way more protected.
Hell yeah. Top 18
So this thing is tied up for the next 7 years?
He’s fuckin loaded his Twitter messages make no sense rn and he’s apologizing for not making sense lol
This gets worse and worse. In 7 years we are going to give up the 10 pick because we took on Trevor Ariza’s contract. Baffling
I get nervous every time this thread gets bumped
I love it. Let’s keep this fire burning.
I love it. It's the sports version of the family members at the holidays thread.
Remember when we all thought this part of some big plan that he was orchestrating?
Bring back Van Gundy.
That’s going too far man
Is it tanking when you commit to it for a decade?
If you keep believing you don’t have to remember.
Guy just can't help himself
May be two decades before it is even close to being over. Team hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years already. Going to be at least a few before they can even sniff a playoff win
Would be a Weaver move to make, take on more money for longer term and block a guy he just drafted