Detroit Pistons thread: With the exchange rate that’s a win streak

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  1. Constant

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    Stan getting player relations advice from Phil Jackson?
     
  2. BleedinGreen

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    Nothing better than drafting a project that appears to have the upside of a finished product. Terrific.
     
  3. BleedinGreen

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    Too lazy to find it but I do remember saying a few years ago (pre crash) to trade Drummond for picks when we had the chance. I feel both sad and vindicated-ish.
     
  4. Moxin24

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    The dream of every lottery team, drafting a backup SG who "has work to do" to get on the floor.
     
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  5. Constant

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    Don't move up, don't move down. Stay where you are and draft a player you hate to add to your dysfunctional roster.

    - Mediocrity Handbook
     
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  6. Heesu

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    This is the definition of mediocrity.

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  7. Constant

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    It's like the basketball gods looked at the Darko pick and said, "Thou shalt never have a high draft pick again. And if thou shalt pick 8, there shall be but 6 good players in the draft".
     
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  8. Gustavo Fring

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    Miss the playoffs seven of the last eight years and never pick higher than seventh. Never good but never bad enough to properly rebuild. Wonderful.
     
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  9. DeToxRox

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    Who the hell is that?
     
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  11. DeToxRox

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  12. MG2

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    We seem to enjoy setting money on fire under this front office.
     
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  13. Vinegar Strokes

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    Am I the only one who has never heard of him? Can't weight for KCP to get max contract.
     
  14. Heesu

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    I didn't know it was possible to sign anyone for $7M a year.
     
  15. Constant

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    About league average, no?
     
  16. Heesu

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    Yeah, probably. I guess guys like jrue holiday making 25M a year or whatever has thrown me off.
     
  17. Randy Bobandy

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    God fucking dammit.
     
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  18. DeToxRox

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    So if I am reading correctly, we can no longer match a max offer to KCP. I could be wrong but it sounds like the Galloway signing makes it impossible.
     
  19. Moxin24

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    I make the casual fan look like Zach Lowe, but why in the world would we want to offer KCP a max deal?
     
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  20. MG2

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    It's impossible unless we move about $2-3M in salaries elsewhere. Vince Ellis seems to think we're going to do that, but I haven't seen anything that suggests anything is close or any specifics.

    If Brooklyn doesn't make that offer, it doesn't seem there is anyone else who would. At that point, it will be interesting to see how KCP treats it and how much he's willing to settle.
     
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  21. DeToxRox

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    If Otto Porter signs a sheet with Sacramento it seems like Brooklyn may max out KCP.

    I like him a lot but I really hope we don't have to go down this road.
     
  22. MG2

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    Because the alternative is losing a good player for nothing
     
  23. Moxin24

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    Not to go all Bill Simmons, but could he be the second best player on a conference championship team?
     
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  24. MG2

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    Yeah, ideally Brooklyn makes another Mozgov-type deal to eat cap space for assets and we can get KCP for something closer to 5/$100ish, maybe even a little lower.

    If Brooklyn wants to sign him, I'm not sure what its waiting for. I think you can start that clock before July 7, and now would seem to be a good time to catch the Pistons with that decision if you want him.
     
  25. MG2

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    No. But he's a good starter at a position where there aren't a ton of them and in the NBA it's harder than any league to replace good players.

    I'm fine either way on KCP, but he's a good player who is 24 years old. Losing him for nothing would be a setback or a team that can't afford them.
     
  26. Heesu

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    Yes, the B1G conference.
     
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  27. Constant

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    What does a conference champion roster have to do with the Pistons?
     
  28. Vinegar Strokes

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    For al the talk about kcp being a good defensive player, how many all NBA defensive teams has he made? And he's a career 33% 3 point shooter, and his best season was only 35%. I mean the franchise is already screwed for the next 4-5 years with Drummond and Reggie. You mind as well max out KCP and become the most irrelevant franchise in the NBA. Fuck this team
     
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  29. You and You

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    The NBA has the most ludicrous contract rules. Guys getting max money just to screw up other teams it seems. The owners let this shit happen by doing things like signing KCP to max money. He should be a 15 million a year guy, and that should be considered overpaying.
     
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  30. DeToxRox

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  32. MG2

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    This seems too good to be true
     
  33. Constant

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    They badly need a salary dump, but is Morris any cheaper?
     
  34. MG2

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    Morris makes about $3M less per year, I think. That's roughly what they needed to shave to sign Hayward.
     
  35. Brocktoon

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    How does this trade work? Bradley makes too much for it to work under the cap
     
  36. You and You

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    Finally got rid of Morris. I was beside myself when we picked up his bum ass.
     
  37. Constant

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    I imagine we'll be kicking someone to the curb as well.
     
  38. DetroitNole

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    So we traded Morris for Avery Bradley which is an upgrade, got a 2nd round pick and it means we probably won't give kcp a max deal. Sounds like great news
     
  39. DeToxRox

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    Leuer and Ellenson does not seem like a final product at PF. More has to be coming right?
     
  40. Heesu

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    Kcp renounced
     
  41. MG2

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    Tobias will finish games at the 4, I would think. He might start at the 3, but I think he finishes at the four with us playing either 3 guards or Stanley at the 3 for defense.

    I hope we're done. Stan needs to learn to stop spending on veterans because he doesn't want to count on young players. He needs to give Stanley, Ellenson and Kennard a chance to at least earn some PT instead of blocking them. We have to figure out what Stanley is, especially. Only way to do that is throw him out there and see what he can do in more minutes. If we won't do that, we should just trade him because he'll have no value with another year of 10 minutes off the bench.
     
  42. MG2

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    Reports are that our highest offer to KCP was 5/$80M. His max would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 5/$130 (or 4/$105 in an offer sheet). The Galloway signing now seems like clear indication we weren't matching a max offer.

    Someone also tweeted (I think it was Rod Beard) that Drummond has supposedly lost a decent amount of weight, and that it was a suggestion from the org to do so.
     
  43. buckwild

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    This pic is exactly one month ago...

     
  44. Vinegar Strokes

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    Still think losing KCP for nothing was a set back? He's a garbage basketball player
     
  45. Heesu

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    Losing him for nothing was better than paying him the max. Especially in lieu of today's trade, obviously.
     
  46. MG2

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    If this trade hadn't come up, it would have been a pretty significant setback to lose KCP without being able to replace him. Having an alternative or a plan B changes that.
     
  47. Vinegar Strokes

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    Suck our dicks #Boston Celtics fans. We the new kings of the East now.
     
  48. MG2

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    I'm surprised he would come back

     
  49. MG2

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    Also, based on the quotes from today's presser, it seems they view Galloway mainly as a 2, which means Kennard probably doesn't get much run this year.
     
  50. Moxin24

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    Deepest draft in years and a 1st round pick can't get run on a lottery team.

    Outstanding.
     
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