Detroit Red Wings: Copp a feel

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  1. DetroitNole

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    Pittsburgh with their A team, has had 8 pp. We've had 2. We've scored 3 goals on special teams, they've scored 0
     
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    Maybe that's our A team now!
     
  3. DetroitNole

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    I'm not sure what he'll produce 5 on 5, but Kubalik showed what he can do for sure to help our special teams last night. Him and Perron could turn a big weakness of ours to a strength
     
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  7. DetroitNole

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    I'm real interested in what happens to Edvinsson. Seemed he was on track to make team but then I read he was an absolute turnover machine in red and white game. Hopefully he has a nice game tonight
     
  8. Manny

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    Gets top 6 role.... checks notes... with Erne and Pius Suter. Lol.
     
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    Give it to Mo
     
  11. DeToxRox

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    Soderblom has looked incredible in the first period.
     
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    Raymond took a direct elbow to the head. No call. Should be a 10- game suspension. Sucks these pre-season games mix top talent with scrubs trying to make the 4th line in the AHL.
     
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    The more that Berggren and Soderblom show out, the more door opens for a Bertuzzi or Vrana trade. It’s going to be fascinating to see how Yzerman manages the final roster, though I’m sure injuries will occur that push the decision off for a few weeks.
     
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    Trade Vrana??
     
  15. DeToxRox

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    I think he has a ton of value because of his contract. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Yzerman moved him if he could get a young C back.
     
  16. DetroitNole

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    Or, hear me out, we stop trading our best players and actually try to compete now. I know it is a foreign concept around here, but you can have quality forwards on your 3rd and 4th line. We won't win a cup this year but in the development of a lot of these players, they need to be playing some more competitive and meaningful games
     
  17. DeToxRox

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    Eventually there will be a logjam and it becomes simple asset management. Elmer and Berggren knocking down the door so early in their careers makes a guy like Bertuzzi expendable in the next few years. That’s why I have a hard time seeing any type of long term deal getting worked out with Bert. And Yzerman had a chance to sign Vrana for a long term deal and didn’t. He went medium term, and in both instances he signed deals that walked the players to UFA. Sometimes actions can also be tells.
     
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    Elmer getting a third game. I know his debut was unplanned, but they certainly are giving him every opportunity to showcase himself.
     
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  20. DetroitNole

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    He wasn't in the top 6 tonight from what I saw in projected lines. But still cool to see him getting a look. Have to imagine he starts in AHL but he could be earning himself an early season callup if some injuries pile up
     
  21. DeToxRox

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    The guys playing tonight getting to see Crosby and Ovechkin, good for them.
     
  22. DeToxRox

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    Granted there wasn’t a ton of talent on the ice last night, but Raymond looked like Datsyuk the entire third period of that game.
     
  23. DeToxRox

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    Based on what I’ve seen/read, this is how I see the Opening Night lineup halfway through the Preseason.

    Vrana - Larkin - Raymond
    Bertuzzi - Copp - Perron
    Zadina - Rasmussen - Kubalik
    Erne - Veleno - Suter
    ??? - ???

    Chiarot - Seider
    Maata - Hronek
    Edvinsson - Lindstrom
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    - Vrana played with Larkin and Raymond last night and the line looked amazing. I do think this might be a stretch because the D might not be great but the analytics hated the first line last years D Impact so it might be a situation where Lalonde rolls with the juice offensively.

    - Second line is self explanatory in that scenario.

    - Third line has played a lot together this preseason and has been effective. Seems like they are a lock to start together.

    - 4th line is a crapshoot with Sundqvist out. If Elmer gets PP time he could make it, but it seems unlikely for him to be on the roster if he’s a fourth liner. Erne is a lock at this point. I could see Veleno in GR to get top line minutes but he also might be a stalwart on the PK and that would help him. Some type of trade seems possible to clear up depth issues.

    - Edvinsson hasn’t been great but I think he makes it, and with injures to Haag and Walman, we stick with 7 D.
     
  24. DeToxRox

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    Evolving Hockey put out their point projection for the season. They have us at 87, and Ottawa at &8. Problem is all four teams above is in the Atlantic are over 100. I don’t know that I buy Boston sniffing that with its injuries but I think 87 would be a successful year.
     
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  26. DetroitNole

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    Think that could be similar to our opening night lines. Would anyone want Suter in a trade? Berggren probably starts in AHL in that scenario and first call up
     
  27. DeToxRox

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    I could see Suter bringing back something. Probably a mid round pick.
     
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    Yep, not much, but something. Can he be sent to GR? Solid depth in case of an injury.
     
  29. DeToxRox

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    We are eight days from the Opener, and still no deals for Larkin or Bert. I would assume nothing happens with Bertuzzi until Larkin is signed, but if Larkin doesn’t sign before the season it leaves us in a very interesting situation. The cap going up and the Barzal deals probably are impacting the Larkin ask and I’m not sure Yzerman gets into the 9’s with him. Going to be fascinating if we let Larkin enter the year without a new deal.
     
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    Soderblom just had a helluva goal.
     
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    I think he’s making the team.
     
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    Seems like the 2nd round pick in this year's draft is trending well....


     
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  33. DeToxRox

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    Should be a mostly AHL lineup tonight, and then just about anyone playing tonight gets sent to GR. Tomorrow is when the real intrigue will begin, as I think Yzerman is going to make a move or two to open up some spots for the kids. I would doubt he makes a big move, but I could see Suter or Erne being moved before rosters are set on Monday.
     
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  35. The Banks

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    Smith waived. No surprise.

    Would feel really bad for Berggren if Soderblom takes his spot. Wish Stevie would make room for both of them. Dump Erne or Suter.

    Grand Rapids gonna be a really solid squad regardless of where Berggren/Soderblom end up.
     
  36. The Banks

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    Notable prospects not in camp

    Rogle:

    Kasper: 3+7=10 in 12 GP (2C minutes)
    Wallinder: 2+8=10 in 12 GP (1D minutes)
    Niederbach: 1+0=1 in 11 GP (bounces from 3rd line to 13th forward)

    Frolunda:

    Dower-Nilsson: 0+4=4 in 13 GP

    TPS:

    Tuomisto: 1+3=4 in 16 GP (playing top pairing minutes most nights)

    SKA:

    Buchelnikov: 3+2=5 in 10 GP (bouncing between KHL, VHL, and MHL)

    Denver:

    Mazur: 3+1=4 in 2 GP
    Buium: 0+1=1 in 2 GP
     
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  37. DeToxRox

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    Elmer still with the big club.
     
  38. The Banks

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    Wings have to keep the injured guys on the roster until after tomorrow, then LTIR them, then call up guys to fill their spots.
     
  39. DeToxRox

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    Zadina played in a lot of preseason games and really did get worse as the preseason wore on. But that could be a byproduct of playing so many games in such a condensed period of time.

    I am guessing Veleno ends up on GR based on those lines though.
     
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    Walman going on IR, no? If so then there’s 23 right there.
     
  42. DeToxRox

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    Correct. I just wonder if Veleno would be on the roster if he isn’t going to play. I could see Smith getting recalled today if he clears waivers.
     
  43. DeToxRox

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  44. The Banks

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    I’m fine with Edvinsson being sent down to start. But he better be 1LD ahead of captain Lashoff and get 25 mins a night. Otherwise I’d rather he get 12 mins a night in the NHL.

    Feel bad for Berggren. He’s earned that spot dominating the SHL and AHL the past two years. Wish Stevie would make room.

    Zadina in the press box makes no sense either. You get no production and tank his value in a trade.
     
  45. DeToxRox

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    I imagine Edvinsson and Johansson will both be in GRs top 4.

    I am curious to see what likes look like the rest of the week. Lalonde said he was still tinkering, though the top six definitely seems set in stone.
     
  46. The Banks

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    Hopefully it’s:

    Edvinsson - Kampfer
    Lashoff - Johansson
     
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  49. DeToxRox

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    Genuinely excited for the season. Excited to be hurt.
     
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  50. DeToxRox

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    A few preseason predictions

    - Larkin signs an 8x8.71 AAV extension before Friday.

    - Raymond leads the team with 75 points.

    - Vrana leads the team with 31 goals.

    - Seider gets Norris votes.

    - Elmer scores 15 goals.

    - Elmer, Edvinsson and Berggren all play more than 40 games for Detroit this season.

    - Cossa ends up as the Griffs #1 goalie after the New Year.

    - At least three guys on the current roster are traded by the deadline.
     
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