Detroit Red Wings: Everybody (but Vin) Loves Raymond

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  1. DeToxRox

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    This is quite good, and it’s being done tethered to Marc Staal
     
  2. Manny

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    That's offensive dynamo Marc Staal to you, sir.
     
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  3. DetroitNole

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    Marc Staal was awful at beginning of season, but he seems to be less awful lately. Haven't noticed too many glaring mistakes like he had early on
     
  4. spartanchuck

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    Maybe? I wouldn’t be too sure. Who are we adding this off-season to be that much better. Still a lot of holes to fill and Seider is the only likely prospect that is for sure ready. Although a couple more could be close.
     
  5. Vinegar Strokes

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    You think Raymond makes the team next year?
     
  6. DetroitNole

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    I dont think Raymond starts in NHL next year, but may end there.
     
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  7. spartanchuck

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    Maybe down the line, but not out of camp. I think Veleno and Berggren have a better shot, and I don’t think either of those are that likely.
     
  8. DetroitNole

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    Based on play this year I think Berggren has best shot. His numbers in same league quite a bit better than other two
     
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  9. DeToxRox

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  10. Vinegar Strokes

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    This would be the year to take a goalie in the top 4-5 of draft. No top tier forwards, so worth the risk.
     
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  11. spartanchuck

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    I’d still rather take a forward. There are solid goalies in the free agent market every year. On the cheap.

    I get the goalie want though and would still be good w it.
     
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  12. hoss2183

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    This was mentioned on a Wings for Breakfast podcast I believe...

    What about trading their first pick, say hypothetically #3 or #4 for Spencer Knight instead of drafting Wallstedt?

    I’m not using that high of an asset (draft or trade) on a goalie ever but I do see some benefit to getting more data on Knight vs. the more unknown Wallstedt
     
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  13. DeToxRox

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    Just depends if Knight is going to sign an ELC upon completion of the deal. There have been rumors he might play out his four year at BU and then sign somewhere as a FA. I give this a very small chance of happening, but if he hasn’t signed his ELC by this offseason, all bets are off.
     
  14. The Banks

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    Get two first and take Wallstedt around 10-15.
     
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  15. The Banks

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    Wallstedt playing against professionals for two years vs Knight playing against kids. Why is there more data on Knight?

    Knight was drafted #13 and hasn’t done anything to elevate his value from there. Using a #3 or #4 is really dumb.
     
  16. DetroitNole

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    In a deep draft lacking top end talent I'm not sure whose going to be trading up or giving up much to trade up. Always easy to say trade down buy you need someone on other end of the trade
     
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    It only takes one and with all the extra picks we have it makes it easier to make an amicable deal for both sides.
     
  18. Vinegar Strokes

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    The Athletic has Luke Hughes as #1 prospect for 2021. Hopefully the draft gets postponed next season
     
  19. DetroitNole

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    His birthplace is listed as Canton, MI. Didnt know the family lived in Canton. Can't hate a guy from my home town
     
  20. Vinegar Strokes

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    Channel 7 news interviewed him during the sports segment. He said he’s from Toronto, and moved here for hockey. They showed pictures of him wearing a leafs jersey as a kid.

    Weird they showed him born in canton online. Who knows.
     
  21. hoss2183

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    I’ve seen you mention this before maybe?? How are they getting a first round pick in the 10-15 range?
     
  22. hoss2183

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    Knight has played and dominated almost 50 games in college as well as 10 or so in the WJC. That’s what I’m talking about. You have seen him play more than Wallstedt. I agree that it’s useful that Wallstedt has played in the SHL this year though.
     
  23. The Banks

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    We already have 3 second rounders and an extra third. Couple that with the assets we’ll acquire at the TDL. I think we can pretty easily get another first in that range with this draft class.
     
  24. The Banks

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    That’s completely expected for Knight. Dipietro did it. Jimmy Howard did it. He’s doing it against 18-22 year olds. Wallstedt is doing it against pros. 18-35 year olds. The third/fourth toughest league in the world. Whereas the NCAA isn’t top 10.
     
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  25. hoss2183

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    Could you trade all three of those second round picks for #10-12? It doesn’t seem like that has every happened in the draft but I genuinely don’t know what they are worth
     
  26. hoss2183

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    Yeah, I get that

    I’m not doing the deal for Knight. I just saw it mentioned so I asked. I’m also not using major assets to draft a goalie. You can find goalies elsewhere for cheap.
     
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  27. DeToxRox

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  28. DetroitNole

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    Can't imagine anyone picks him up
     
  29. DeToxRox

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    Yeah there is no chance. One hopes this means Cholowski gets called up, but I bet it’s McIlrath.
     
  30. DetroitNole

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  31. DetroitNole

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    26 straight PP without a goal and really not many chances is quite remarkable. That's almost a complete games worth of hockey with an extra man and not scoring
     
  32. goblue31602

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    Watching NHL Overtime and tonight is the 2nd time in the last week that they've called a victory over the Wings a "big win" and I just assume it's because they have to fill that space with some sort of analysis. Nothing else makes sense.
     
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  33. DetroitNole

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    5 games in a row we've out shot a team. Slowly getting more competitive
     
  34. DeToxRox

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  35. The Banks

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    I just don’t understand it.
     
  36. DeToxRox

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    I guess this makes sense but he should be playing here
     
  37. The Banks

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    Exactly.
     
  38. MG2

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    Thing I realized today...

    We suck, but at least we're not the Coyotes
     
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  39. DeToxRox

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  40. MG2

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    It's weird how this stuff happens in hockey and there's very little mention of it anywhere as far as the media goes (at least from what I see). I can't even imagine the uproar if this happened in one of the other three sports. If a baseball team was trying to send down a pitcher after every start to fuck with his service time, for example, the media would go nuts (and they should). I know it's said his is for cap reasons, but this is really shitty to do to any player, let alone someone who has earned a role with the big club.
     
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  41. DeToxRox

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    Oh absolutely , especially when we aren’t close to being a cap team this season.
     
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    It isn't any different than an MLB team leaving a guy in the minors until June to delay his arb/FA eligibility. Just sillier in the mechanism.
     
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  43. MG2

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    It's no different, but MLB teams get called out when they do.
     
  44. ~ taylor ~

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    But nobody really cares.
     
  45. DeToxRox

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  46. MG2

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    Seems like we play Chicago every other day right now
     
  47. Vinegar Strokes

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    Even the announcers think mantha sucks ass. Does he have any trade value anymore?
     
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  49. DeToxRox

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  50. DetroitNole

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    National announcers hate the Wings. Especially this crew. I'm sick of the Mantha talk. He had a rough stretch to start after a year off and I think he's looked fine lately, Especially considering who he's playing with
     
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