Detroit Red Wings: Our Savior hath returned Easter weekend

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  1. MG2

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    What are the chances we would even consider buying out Abdelkader? We still have Stephen Weiss on our cap for two more years, which is kind of hilarious in how little that taught Holland in later deals.

    Is that stuff worth it in the end when you spread it out for that long?
     
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  2. DeToxRox

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    I don’t think it’s worth it. It would be 2 mil a year for 8 years I believe. Just can’t swing that.
     
  3. The Banks

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    Are you allowed more than two buyouts? We currently have both Weiss and Ouellet.

    Also we're not buying out Abby. He's an assistant captain, home state kid, went to school in state, etc. Holland has too much loyalty.
     
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    I would consider trading one of our 2’s to get rid of that deal. That’s as extreme as I would get.
     
  5. MG2

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    No one would do that deal, though, right? Would think it's at least a 1st rounder.
     
  6. DetroitNole

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    Unless someone big wants to come play here and we are in desperate need for cap space now, may as well eat his contract for 2 more years and then maybe buy it out. Maybe give Seattle a pick to take him in expansion draft
     
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  8. DeToxRox

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    Probably not, no.

    He’s a truly horrible player.
     
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    Agreed. We really do need a top end D prospect, but talent wise hes too far behind other 4 you mentioned imo
     
  11. DetroitNole

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    Was also thinking if he fell into late 20s, I wouldn't mind moving up from early 2nd to end of 1st and picking up Spencer Knight. Then with him and Larsson I would like our chances of one of them being our future goalie. Of course it all depends on what it would cost to move up.
     
  12. Vinegar Strokes

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    Best player available.
     
  13. Vinegar Strokes

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    What would it cost us? Our two 2nd rounders and a 3rd?
     
  14. DetroitNole

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    Looking for comparables, last year it took a 3rd round pick to move up from 29 to 26. It took a 2nd to get from 26 to 22. I would guess 2 2nds and maybe a later round pick could get it done. We have 3 2nd round picks
     
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    I'd be alright with moving up for Knight if he's in the 25-30 range.
     
  16. The Banks

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    Lottery bump
     
  17. DeToxRox

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    I’m going into this thing assuming we pick 6th. Anything higher and I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
     
  18. The Banks

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    Same boat
     
  19. DetroitNole

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    Top 2 would be jackpot.

    If we arent top 2, I'd want C or D and most mocks have Podkolvin 3. So if not top 2, not much difference between 3 and 6 to me.
     
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    If we got 3 would anyone be opposed to dropping back (within the top 5-7)? Would probably be able to get another 2nd to package for a late 1st
     
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    Would anyone offer anything good to jump up? Consensus right now seems to be that 3-7 range there isnt much separation. But I'd be on board if someone did
     
  22. DeToxRox

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    Lol largest US hockey markets move up. Conspiracy theorists begin.
     
  24. DetroitNole

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    Fuck that, of course Chicago jumped up....

    Still can get a great player at 6 so whatever. Hopefully Zegras or Byram
     
  25. goblue31602

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    How does this work? I guess I don't know all the rules, how do they skip the Hawks and then just know they'll be top 3?
     
  26. Vinegar Strokes

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    FUCK

    WATCH Chicago get hughes
     
  27. DetroitNole

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    Only draw lottery for top 3, rest seeded based on record. So when they weren't up for their spot you know they won lottery for one of top 3 spots
     
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    Ahhh. Makes sense
     
  29. DeToxRox

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    We should have won those last two games. It could have been us!
     
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  30. DetroitNole

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    Thank God Chicago wasnt 1 or 2
     
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    I wish it was Chicago. Hughes and Kakko coming to the East. Massive talent disparity developing between the two conferences.
     
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    Well we know who is going 1-2, looking at other fans posts on here and twitter and mock drafts, I am thinking Byram, Podkolzin and Cozens could very well be the other 3 gone as well.

    That would leave us with

    Centers - Turcotte, Zegras, Dach, Krebs
    Wingers - Boldy
    Defense -Harley, Soderstrom

    My preference of a Center over a Wing and my thinking the remaining D prospects are not as highly rated, that leaves me between those centers. Initially I would say Zegras would be who I hope we get at 6. But I will have to look at it some more.
     
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    I can see Podkolzin falling to us. Question is whether we bite? I still prefer Zegras. Turcotte would probably be next. My tunes been changing on him.

    This is assuming Cozens and Byram are off the board.
     
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    Cozens, Zegras, and Byram are my takes.
     
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    Beside being a winger (which I could live with), doesn't Podkolzin have a KHL contract issue where he would likely be 2 years before being able to come over? And aren't their rumors he may want to stay in Russia even longer? I could see him falling over that, but I think he is probably talent wise the clear #3
     
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    I think he comes over in 20-21.

    The good thing for us is he’s in the same organization as Datsyuk. That can’t hurt.
     
  38. DetroitNole

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    Dach and Turcotte are options as well. Dach is a playmaking Center as well is which I kind of want to see this draft. He is just inconsistent. If he could put it all together consistently he would be a surefire top 5 pick
     
  39. DetroitNole

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    NHL.com has a mock draft (Top 15 picks) up with 3 writers, and not surprising it is a crapshoot after 2. 2/3 have us taking Turcotte, the other has Byram falling to us.

    Podkolzin - #3, #4, #4
    Dach - #10 , #3, #7
    Cozens - #4, #7 , #3
    Zegras - #5, #12 , #8
    Byram - #6 , #5, #5
    Turcotte - #11 , #6, #6
    Caufield - #7, NR, NR
    Krebs - #8, #11 , #9
    Soderstrom - NR, #8, #11
    Harley - #9, NR, NR
    Broberg - #13 , #9, #15
    Boldy - #14, #10, #10
    Kaliyev - #12, #14 ,#12
    York - NR, NR ,#13
    Knight - NR , #13, NR
    Suzuki - #15, NR , #14
    Heinola - NR, #15, NR
     
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  40. DetroitNole

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    This guy also has some good individual breakdown videos of most these guys

     
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    Since Turcotte and Zegras are two guys I think will be highly in the mix for us, I was bored and decided to compare their stats while I am sitting here watching some hockey with other notable USDP players who were top 15 picks recently to their stats in their U18 years for the USDP teams (note a couple guys because of age difference went to college or played somewhere else before being drafted). Looking at that list, Turcotte's number hold their own against some former big names.

    Jack Hughes (2018-19) - USHL Games 24 games 12 goals 36 assists 48 points Other Games 41 games 23 g 63 a 86 pts (Total 2.06 ppg
    Auston Matthews (14-15) - USHL 24 games 20 g 28 a 48 pts, Other 60 games 55 g 62 a 117 pts (Total 1.96 ppg)
    Alex Turcotte (18-19) - USHL 16 games 12 g 22 a 34 pts, Other 30 games 23 g 30 a 53 pts (Total 1.89 ppg)
    Jack Eichel (13-14) - USHL 24 games 20 g 25 a 45 pts, Other 53 games 38 g 49 a 87 pts (Total 1.71 ppg)
    Clayton Keller (15-16) - USHL 23 games 13 g 24 a 37 pts, Other 62 games 37 g 70 a 107 pts (Total 1.69 ppg)
    Oliver Wahlstrom (17-18) - USHL 26 games 22 g 23 a 45 pts, Other 62 games 48 g 46 a 94 pts (Total 1.58 ppg)
    Trevor Zegras (18-19) - USHL 27 games 14 g 26 a 40 pts, Other 54 games 26 g 52 a 78 pts (Total 1.46 ppg)
    Cole Caufield (18-19) - USHL 28 games 29 g 12 a 41 pts, Other 55 games 54 g 23 a 77 pts (Total 1.42 ppg)
    Matthew Tkachuk (14-15) - USHL 24 games 13 g 20 a 33 pts, Other 68 games 35 g 57 a 95 pts (Total 1.39 ppg)
    Matthew Boldy (18-19) - USHL 28 games 17 g 26 a 43 pts, Other 55 games 30 g 39 a 69 pts (Total 1.35 ppg)
    Joel Farabee (17-18) - USHL 26 games 15 g 25 a 40 pts, Other 62 games 33 g 43 a 76 pts (Total 1.32 ppg)
    Dylan Larkin (13-14) - USHL 26 games 17 g 9 a 26 pts, Other 60 games 31 g 25 a 56 pts (Total 0.95 ppg)
     
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    The Griffs are in danger of missing the playoffs. They have lost 8 in a row, mainly due to losing most of their players to the Wings. They need Iowa to not win in regulation tonight to clinch. That game is currently 0-0 after 2.

    If Iowa does win in regulation, I believe the Griffs must win tomorrow to make it in.
     
  43. Vinegar Strokes

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  44. DeToxRox

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    I was wrong. I thought Iowa only could win in regulation but that wasn’t true.

     
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    Si

    Big question if the Jets can afford him given their other pending free agents, plus he wants a bigger role.
     
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    Joe Veleno's team, Drummondville, won their second round series 4-1 (won their first by the same amount). Veleno had a slower series points wise but is up to 6+6=12 in 10 games.
     
  49. DeToxRox

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    Griffs down 5-0. They are going to need help to make the playoffs.