Detroit Red Wings: Yzerplan B needed to undo this off-season

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  1. DeToxRox

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    An article on The Athletic listed us as a team that should pursue a Timo Meier, which is something I mentioned here a month or so ago. He’s the kind of guy that could really help move this thing forward. I don’t know that we would make such a move but he tops my wishlist.
     
  2. DetroitNole

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    Yzerman has been bitten by the vrana situation, Bert continuing injuries and other rash of injuries but this team as a whole certainly isn't where I'd expect them to be this year. Still too many stinker games. This off-season will be huge.
     
  3. The Banks

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    He’s gonna be EXPENSIVE.
     
  4. DeToxRox

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    Yep, but he’s absolutely worth it
     
  5. The Banks

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    What do you think that contract will be? 8x10?

    He’ll be a PPG winger for four seasons before his production slowly depreciates.
     
  6. DeToxRox

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    His QO is 10 mil which is nuts. I think 8x9 might get it done though.
     
  7. DeToxRox

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    I didn’t watch any of the game last night, but that was a nice win. Unfortunately though, it sounds like Bertuzzi has a lower body injury that caused him to miss the second half of the game. Bert’s trade value is basically shot, but I also think the chances of him accepting a lesser deal here have decreased as well. He will head to UFA to get the best deal he can after all the injuries this season, so hopefully he’s healthy enough in a week or two to at least play a few games so he can be dealt for something.
     
  8. DeToxRox

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    I don’t like Pagnotta but he is tied into agents because he’s a lapdog, so I buy that Brisson’s side is telling him the deal isn’t good enough.
     
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    This came across as pure “send your lapdog to the media to push for a better deal”. I bet that larkin is closer to being at the number he wants than that.
     
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    I would agree that the number Larkin is comfortable with doesn’t likely jive with what his agents think he’s worth. It’s all part of the dance. I imagine this gets settled at 8.71 AAV because again, NHL players love having their jersey # in the final number.
     
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    8x8-9M seems fair to me for a ~PPG two-way center who is a home state captain, so I’m good with that number.
     
  12. DeToxRox

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    9 is the limit for me. It’s less than Barzal got and I think Larkin is a slightly worse player than Barzal. That’s really my only logic for not wanting to exceed 9.
     
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    Any updates on Bertuzzi?

    Pronman listed Mazur and Wallinder as some of his half-season risers among NHL prospects:

    Mazur:
    Mazur’s significant upward trend of development over the last few years has carried into this season, where he’s been one of the very best players in college hockey. His skating and compete level have always been positives in his game, but the level of offense he’s showing right now is quite significant compared to a few seasons ago. Mazur can shoot the puck, has good hands and offensive sense to go with his speed and direct style of play. He’s looking like someone who could be a top six winger in the NHL one day.

    Wallinder:
    Wallinder has been excellent in the SHL this season, as the 20-year-old has been one of the top players for Rogle. As a 6-foot-4 defenseman who can skate quite well for his size and is showing a lot of offense this season, you can one day envision Wallinder in an NHL top four. His defending and physicality could use some improvement, but he’s not deficient as a defender. The tools he has distinguish him as a pro prospect, especially with the level of skill and playmaking he’s showing right now.
     
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    Sounds like it may just be day to day on Bertuzzi.
     
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    Wallinder doesn’t skate well for his size, he’s a straight up elite skater for any size.
     
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  16. lomcevak

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    yeah, i thought that was strange given everything that's been written about him
     
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  17. DeToxRox

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    Mazur should be signed as soon as DU’s season ends and he should see some games in Detroit.
     
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    I’m fine with him getting some games in Detroit but I think he needs a full year in GR. Big jump from potting goals for the #1 team in the country against NCHC competition. Only 6 assists in 24 games this season. His unsubstainable shooting percentage will come back down to earth at some point.
     
  19. DeToxRox

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    Yeah I don’t think he should play in Detroit come next season but I’d be fine burning a year of his ELC to ensure he signs now.
     
  20. MG2

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    Looks like Winging it Motown is getting dumped by VOX/SB Nation

     
  21. DeToxRox

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    That was actually a decent site too, so that’s a shame.
     
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    Trade Bertuzzi and Larkin, tank the rest of the season and 23-24 and reset this MFer
     
  23. MG2

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    It's basically the only Red Wings thing I follow on twitter
     
  24. DeToxRox

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    Seravalli


    The belief is the Boston Bruins, Seattle Kraken, Detroit Red Wings, Carolina Hurricanes and Minnesota Wild are among the teams who have inquired about Horvat with Vancouver, with varying levels of interest.
     
  25. DeToxRox

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    I am an unabashed Horvat fan, so this is one of those rumors that intrigues me. His age is a bit scary but his game should age well enough, and while he definitely isn’t the 50 goal pace player he’s been this season, 25-30 a year for the next 4-5 years should be expected. Horvat is also a big intangibles guy, which certainly doesn’t hurt.

    Now, I’m not sure what the cost looks like for a guy like him, because Vancouver wants roster players back. If Vrana were in a better situation, you start there, but if not him, you’re probably looking at Hronek, Rasmussen and picks. I’m not against that kind of offer (I would not want to deal a 1 with Hronek) but I’m not sure it gets the deal done.

    At a minimum I hope the interest in Horvat is sincere because he gives you another top six C.
     
  26. lomcevak

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    I also saw the Athletic hinted/speculated that Detroit could be an option for Meier.
     
  27. Manny

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    Winged Wheel Pod guys I like.
     
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  28. DeToxRox

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    It’s painful watching this team try to generate offense.
     
  29. Vinegar Strokes

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    team is garbage. Ship Larkin out of here at the deadline, and start the rebuild over again.
     
  30. lomcevak

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    Numbers back up the eye test

     
  31. DeToxRox

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    It's amazing how bad Chiarot is. I think Kenny Holland/Edmonton would be excellent trade partners.
     
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  33. Vinegar Strokes

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    why did we sign him to begin with? He sucks ass.
     
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  35. DeToxRox

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    So in the last 48 hours both Helene St. James and Ansar Khan have put out stories that Detroit wants Larkin back but that they are still pursuing a 1C like Horvat to pair with Larkin. Both are saying the sides are in agreement on an 8 year deal, and now it’s bridging the gap from the 8 mil Detroit is offering and the 9 mil Larkin’s camp wants.

    Considering those two are state sponsored media, it’s likely being leaked directly from Yzerman:
     
  36. DetroitNole

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    I'm on board with being buyers and sellers. A lot of prospects in system that if we could turn into a top line player who is under 28 or so I think you do it (of course depends on whose involved). At same time I'm on board with trading some of the pending FA.
     
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  37. Manny

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    Nice little stretch from Ras of late
     
  38. DeToxRox

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    One of the main Canucks insiders.
     
  39. Manny

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    What is the compensation for a player of Horvat's ilk? Has there been a comparable trade recently?
     
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  41. Vinegar Strokes

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    Tweet is deleted. What did it say?
     
  42. DeToxRox

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    Rasmussen would be a guy VAN would look for as part of a Horvat trade.
     
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  43. DeToxRox

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    Nice win tonight — Seider had three assists and Rasmussen is on a heater.
     
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  44. spartanchuck

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    Would suck because he’s finally coming into his own, but would still be worth it.
     
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  47. Manny

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    I constantly forget Ras is still only 23 years old, 24 in April. I feel like he's ancient.
     
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  48. DeToxRox

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    Absolutely embarrassing effort tonight. I love Larkin, but if he wants 9 mil a year, go get it somewhere else. These are games your 9 mil a year guys should shine, and he was as bad as anyone else on the Wings.
     
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  49. Vinegar Strokes

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    I’ve been saying it all year. You need to trade him at the deadline. Nobody is giving him $9 million a year. He’s a #2 center.

    might be time to start questioning the Yzerplan too. He won in Tampa with two superstars on his roster. That seems to be the only way you can win now in NHL. This team doesn’t have that, and won’t have that unless they win the lottery.