Detroit Red Wings: Yzerplan B needed to undo this off-season

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  1. DeToxRox

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    There is zero chance this team can make the playoffs when they are going to need like quality play from one of the backups down the stretch.
     
  2. lomcevak

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    Had to stop watching when it was 2-1 to get kids to bed.You can blame me
     
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  3. DeToxRox

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    Tonight was a bad night but it doesn’t undo the improved play of late. It does really impact the playoff odds though, and makes tomorrow a must win. If Detroit loses tomorrow, I believe the playoff odds will fall under 5%, at which point there is no reason to avoid selling before Friday.
     
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    We aren’t contenders so this is good in my eyes. Need to solidify that we are sellers.
     
  5. DetroitNole

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    Lock him up

     
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    Dude had 7 blocked shots tonight. Goodness.
     
  7. DeToxRox

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    Walman is solid and shouldn’t cost a ton to extend. You gotta hit on several of those guys to contend.
     
  8. DeToxRox

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    I’m still really annoyed by how easily Detroit was pushed around last night. We don’t need someone that drops the gloves, we just need a guy that can provide an edge in those types of games. Everyone said that was Chiarot but when you can’t count on him with all the stupid penalties he takes.
     
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  9. DetroitNole

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    Seems like a steal at his current production



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  10. DeToxRox

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    Surprised Walman signed for only three years. Great deal for us.
     
  11. DeToxRox

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    So here is what we have under contract next season:

    Perron - ??? - Raymond
    Rasmussen - Copp - Fabbri
    Berggren - Veleno - Kubalik
    Zadina - ??? - Vrana

    ???

    Obviously Larkin likely gets a new deal and it sure feels like Vrana will be moved in some fashion before next season, but that’s your forward group as of today.

    Walman - Seider
    Chiarot - Hronek
    Maata - ???
    ???
    ???

    Edvinsson is likely destined to be on the third lake, with Maata moving to RD. I wouldn’t be shocked if we bring Lindstrom back as a 7th D and then sign another Pysyk type for depth.

    Husso
    ???

    We have to find a better backup, which is easier said than done.

    Looking at what we have on paper, we have to find someone to play in the top six. If we can get Nick Schmaltz from Arizona that would he be something that could really help us out. That is probably my dream scenario at this point.
     
  12. The Banks

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    Lol at a market value of 9.5M. That’s top 10 D money.
     
  13. DetroitNole

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    Advanced stats love Walman. Obviously that's a crazy projection, but on flip side he's playing like a top line D Man, top 4 at worst and $3.4 is crazy good deal.
     
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  14. The Banks

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    Very happy with the deal
     
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  15. DayDomination

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    What shot by Kubalik
    I want to see Tkachuk bleeding on the ice tonight
     
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  16. DeToxRox

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    Bert, enough of that until after Friday.
     
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  17. DeToxRox

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    Overcompensating tonight for what happened last night.
     
  18. Vinegar Strokes

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  19. DeToxRox

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    That drop pass through the NZ works when Larkin or Vrana are the recipient. When you’re giving it to Perron, one of the slowest skaters on the team, it’s just a recipe for disaster.
     
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  20. DayDomination

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    Disgusting power play
     
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  21. DeToxRox

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    It’s a good thing this is happening this week as opposed to next.
     
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  22. DeToxRox

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    Chiarot and Hronek (especially Hronek) have been absolutely embarrassing tonight.
     
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  23. spartanchuck

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    It was a fun couple of weeks.
     
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  24. DayDomination

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    Bert back on the market
    Send him to Dallas for a 1st and top prospect
     
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  25. lomcevak

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    So fun and then just such an embarrassing showing in Ottawa
     
  26. DeToxRox

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    Teams improved, there is no doubt about it. Larkin and Husso basically dragged us the last few weeks though, and we were bound to fall back down to Earth.
     
  27. DeToxRox

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    And Bertuzzi is hurt. This will go down as top tier asset management failure by Yzerman if Bertuzzi can’t be dealt by Friday.
     
  28. DayDomination

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    Back out there
    No reason for him to be any longer
     
  29. spartanchuck

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    I turned it off. How bad did it look?

    also, very much improved and excited for the outlook in the upcoming seasons
     
  30. DeToxRox

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    Ottawa has dared Detroit to try and beat the Sens at its own game and for four periods Detroit has taken the bait. It’s all part of the growing pains with a young team.
     
  31. DeToxRox

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    He’s back but this may shock you, he took a slap shot from one of his teammates. This one in the ankle.
     
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  32. Vinegar Strokes

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    What could Bertuzzi realistically get us back in return? I don’t want a draft pick that won’t be on the team until 5 more years.
     
  33. DeToxRox

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    I think you’re hoping for a first but I’d be doing what I can to get a prospect like Wyatt Johnston from Dallas.
     
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  34. Vinegar Strokes

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    yeah no chance we get Johnson straight up.
     
  35. DeToxRox

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    Ottawa has flat out emasculated Detroit.
     
  36. DeToxRox

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  37. DeToxRox

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    Setting a new O/U for the TDL at 2.5 moves. I’m leaning under, with Bertuzzi being dealt and maybe Zadina. Just not sure there is a market for Vrana at this point in time.

    The wildcard would be if last night causes Yzerman to look for some physicality to fill out the roster. A guy like Jordan Greenway would make a lot of sense. He’s overpaid but it’s not an anchor of a deal, and the deal is only for two more years.

    I feel like a Bertuzzi deal happens before the Seattle game tomorrow, and then Friday will be smaller moves if they happen at all.
     
  38. DeToxRox

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    I have to assume this means it gets announced today.
     
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  40. DeToxRox

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  41. Manny

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    Saw this comment, would be such a hockey player thing to do lol. 'Get him his jersey number. $71M total. 8.875x8. Who cares if it's an overpay, just do it, it'll be fun.'
     
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  42. DetroitNole

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    Assuming those numbers are in the ballpark, very happy with Larkin and Walman extensions
     
  43. DeToxRox

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  44. DeToxRox

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  45. DetroitNole

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    Want to know exact number because that is 69.6 mil
     
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  46. Vinegar Strokes

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    We won’t ever win a cup with Larkin as captain
     
  47. ~ taylor ~

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    I'm glad that's done. Now we just need a 1C(a) to his 1C(b)
     
  48. Manny

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    Wheeler updates top 50 drafted prospects list: Edvinsson, Kasper, Berggren appearances

    5. Simon Edvinsson, LHD, 20 (Detroit Red Wings — No. 6, 2021)
    July 2022 rank: No. 14 (change: +9)
    After an excellent post-draft season playing big minutes in the SHL and a leading role at the world juniors, Edvinsson has had a really strong first pro season in North America. This year’s Griffins are not good, and he has been impactful at both ends considering that context — and that he just turned 20.
    He has really cleaned up areas of his game that needed (and still need) some development.
    His ceiling is extremely high and is backed by a unique set of traits and skills for a 6-foot-6, 215-pound player (let alone a defenseman). These include his uncharacteristically soft hands and control of the puck, his fearlessness with and without it, and his strong foundational knowledge of how to use his towering frame to defend in a variety of ways (with a good, active stick, with step-up physicality when opportunities present themselves, with good neutral-zone gapping and steering, on box-outs, etc.).
    If he can develop his shot (one of those areas that still needs work), continue to smooth out his game and make better choices with the consistency that he has begun to these last two seasons, the potential is there in spades. It has also been nice to see him begin to make more play-ending passes and create a ton of chances to add to his already-dominant transition game, as a surprisingly confident carrier and transporter for a big man.
    I hate this cliche but you really can’t teach hands like his at that size. He tries things, he usually pulls them off and he’s extremely comfortable handling the puck under pressure. He has also found greater control of his gangly frame (he’s a good skater and always has been, but his stride can splay from the knees) and takes up a lot of space defensively. I like how vocal he is for his age out there — a sign of his confidence. I like how hard he makes it for players to get around him. I like how his head is always up (easier said than done when you’re as tall as he is). I like his creativity banking and playing pucks off the wall in the defensive zone.
    He’s going to be a very good — and different — player if he can maintain his take-charge mentality on both sides of the puck and put it all together at the NHL level.

    21. Marco Kasper, C, 18 (Detroit Red Wings — No. 8, 2022)
    July 2022 rank: Not ranked
    You won’t find anyone in the SHL, with the Austrian hockey federation, or working for an NHL club in amateur scouting who doesn’t like Kasper’s game and approach to it. He has really impressed scouts, teammates and coaches with the way he has managed one of the world’s top pro levels as a teenager.
    I love his patience with the puck. He doesn’t shy away from trying to beat or out-wait guys (whether through changes of directions out of stop-ups or curls) and he’s got a really low panic threshold. He’s also a good skater who never lacks in effort and always stops on pucks. He’s an advanced 200-foot forward who was able to progress up levels as fast as he did because of how rounded his game is. He’s feisty and fights off his fair share of checks to stay on pucks. He has made real progress filling out his 6-foot-1 frame (now about 190 pounds). There’s a bit of a hunch to his stride, but he leverages his edges well, building speed through the neutral zone to push pace with the puck.
    I don’t see game-breaking skill or finishing, per se, but he plays with pro pace, he’s a good passer, he plays on the interior and he makes plays all over the ice. The maturity and smarts in his game define him. He plays an almost mistake-free game. And maybe most importantly, he has handled the responsibilities of center ice really well this year (after playing exclusively the wing in the SHL in his draft year). It’s a big deal that he has won more draws than he has lost and has driven possession and goal-differential results at five-on-five this year. I’m not sure he’s quite dynamic enough with the puck to become a true first-line center and point-per-game type, but he’s got all of the makings of an excellent 2C who can influence play in all three zones at five-on-five, on the power play and maybe even on the penalty kill.

    48. Jonatan Berggren, LW/RW, 22 (Detroit Red Wings — No. 47, 2018)
    July 2022 rank: Not ranked
    After years plagued by injuries, Berggren just keeps hitting checkpoints of late. There was his tremendous 20-year-old season in the SHL two years ago. There was his team-leading 64-point rookie season in the AHL last year. And now there has been a smooth, productive transition into an NHLer in what would have been his last year of eligibility for this list due to age — but that will be a moot point as he graduates to full-time NHLer anyway.
    Berggren can torment teams with his east-west skill on the perimeter, hanging onto pucks, playing with unique poise under pressure and using his hands and footwork to draw defenders to him so that his linemates can get open in the space those defenders leave behind. He has also, in the last three seasons, gotten to the inside more proficiently. Berggren has clear line-driving upside and an ingenuity to his game that helps him create plays out of nothing, surprise defenders and goalies, and spend a lot of his time dictating with the puck on his stick, layering stop-ups and low-to-high players into carrying sequences. He’s not going to be a big goal-scorer at the NHL level but I like him as a playmaking top-nine winger with clear power-play value who gives you 15 to 20 goals a year and 40 to 50 points (and maybe more with the right linemates and a good run of luck the odd season). One of my favorites.
     
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  49. DeToxRox

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    Is that good? That seems good